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    I know! It's amazing that you figured it out.
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    it were a parakeet according to local news here

    EUNICE — A Pitkin woman has been arrested by the Evangeline Parish Sheriff's Office for aggravated kidnapping, and the case is shocking, said Evangeline Parish Sheriff’s Chief of Detectives Keith Dupre.
    Brandy Lynn Romero, 27, and Paul James Romero, 46, of Eunice, told EPSO investigators that she'd been contacted by Donna Louise Greenwell, 51, about purchasing a parakeet Brandy had for sale. When Greenwell learned the Romeros had no children, Dupre said, Greenwell allegedly offered the couple a four-year-old girl and five-year-old boy that she was raising and could not handle in exchange for the parakeet, valued at $1,500, and an additional $175 in cash.


    yall this actually happened a few towns away from meOMG i'm locking my kiddos up
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsDark View Post
    Well I've got my reservations about the dad in the first place, seeing as how I'm hearing there were previous threats made by the son and yet the kid still had access to a gun for this to happen.
    That's definitely true. He should've never given his child a rifle to begin with (jmo), and definitely should NOT have let that boy keep it after making those threats. I guess my previous statement is more of a general one. I mean, how would people feel about their kids and what type of relationship would they want with them if their child murdered their SO? It's such an odd and horrible position to be in, I can't possibly imagine it.
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    Kenzie Houk Shot in Cold Blood By 11-Year-Old Jordan Brown, Say Prosecutors - Crimesider - CBS News

    Kenzie Houk Shot in Cold Blood By 11-Year-Old Jordan Brown, Say Prosecutors


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    NEW CASTLE, Pa. (CBS/AP) Kenzie Houk was eight months pregnant when she was found in her bed with a bullet though her head. Her fetus died with her.

    But the suspect in the 26-year-old's murder last February may not be who you expect.

    Photo: Kenzie Marie Houk with her daughter Adalynn.

    PICTURES: Kenzie Houk Murdered

    Jordan Brown was only 11 years old when Pennsylvania prosecutors say he shot Houk, his father's fiancée.
    Now a court will decide if Brown, at 12-years-old, will become one of the country's youngest murder defendants to be tried as an adult. The next hearing is March 12.
    If Brown is tried and convicted as an adult, he faces life in prison. If convicted in juvenile court, he can only remain in detention until he is 21.

    Photo: Jordan Brown.

    PICTURES: Kenzie Houk Murdered

    A defense psychologist testified Friday that an adolescent's brain does not control impulses in a "mature way."
    Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto continued the rest of the hearing to allow the prosecution's psychologist to examine Brown. That doctor will testify when the hearing resumes.
    To her friends, Houk was a "warm-hearted" woman, whose life is "sadly missed" and was "taken too soon."
    Brown's family is standing behind him. According to CNN, they want the case tried in juvenile court and believe the "all-American boy" who loves to hunt with his father Chris Brown and play football, is innocent.

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    That kid looks how I imagined him. I don't know how he could be tried as an adult though.

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    Hey, the kid committed an adult crime, charge him as an adult. If he can brutally murder a pregnant woman at the age of 11, then that means he's a lost cause and will commit more crimes as an adult.

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    It seems cruel to keep this kid in prison for the rest of his life but I wouldn't feel safe with him out on the streets at 21 either.

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    The kid is a fat little asshole, and perhaps a born sociopath, we don't know. However, it makes NO sense to say that kids don't fully understand finality and consequences and don't have impulse control EXCEPT when the crime they commit is a really serious one. It's just the opposite---the more serious and final the outcome of an action is, the less a child can be deemed to fully grasp the reality of it. Any other viewpoint baffles me, and I don't understand why we charge kids who aren't even teens as adults. Why have a juvenile justice system at all then--just to deal with petty crimes? With which the kids probably had more of a grasp as to their motive and cause/effect? There is no consistency in this way of thinking.

    I think a related issue is swirling in the Supreme Court, that is, whether to extend the 8th Amendment's cruel and unusual clause's prohibition against executing offenders who were underage (as it was held to apply a few years ago) to life sentences for underage offenders. Maybe it will trickle down to charging decisions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    Hey, the kid committed an adult crime, charge him as an adult. If he can brutally murder a pregnant woman at the age of 11, then that means he's a lost cause and will commit more crimes as an adult.
    He's not an adult though. Someone either is or isn't. You shouldn't be able to change the rules. Either you have to be an adult to be charged with an adult crime or you don't. What I think they need to do is look at and possibly change the juvenile sentencing.
    *edit* I agree Manx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    He's not an adult though. Someone either is or isn't. You shouldn't be able to change the rules. Either you have to be an adult to be charged with an adult crime or you don't. What I think they need to do is look and possibly change the juvenile sentencing.
    I agree. Perhaps they shouldn't necessarily be released at 21 unless certain conditions are present, and should be monitored for a very long time.

    But if we're just going to throw them into the adult justice system, we might as well let 11-year olds vote, drink, and join the military, because hey---they know what they're doing and are able to make "adult" decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
    The kid is a fat little asshole, and perhaps a born sociopath, we don't know. However, it makes NO sense to say that kids don't fully understand finality and consequences and don't have impulse control EXCEPT when the crime they commit is a really serious one. It's just the opposite---the more serious and final the outcome of an action is, the less a child can be deemed to fully grasp the reality of it. Any other viewpoint baffles me, and I don't understand why we charge kids who aren't even teens as adults. Why have a juvenile justice system at all then--just to deal with petty crimes? With which the kids probably had more of a grasp as to their motive and cause/effect? There is no consistency in this way of thinking.

    I think a related issue is swirling in the Supreme Court, that is, whether to extend the 8th Amendment's cruel and unusual clause's prohibition against executing offenders who were underage (as it was held to apply a few years ago) to life sentences for underage offenders. Maybe it will trickle down to charging decisions as well.
    i agree. it makes NO sense to try him as an adult just because he did something bad. there is definitely a double standard. for instance, roman polanski's victim was 13 and people have called her a child or a baby, but an 11 year-old kills someone and all of a sudden they want the justice system to treat him like an adult? you can't have it both ways...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    He's not an adult though. Someone either is or isn't. You shouldn't be able to change the rules. Either you have to be an adult to be charged with an adult crime or you don't. What I think they need to do is look at and possibly change the juvenile sentencing.
    *edit* I agree Manx.
    You don't have to be an adult to be charged with an adult crime. Murder is an adult crime and is illegal regardless of your age. If a kid thinks that they're big and bad enough to commit an adult crime, then they should be big and bad enough to deal with the consequences.

    By acting as if minors shouldn't be treated the same as adults in those crimes, then you're opening the door for more minors to commit those same crimes, knowing that they won't get the same punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingcap72 View Post
    You don't have to be an adult to be charged with an adult crime. Murder is an adult crime and is illegal regardless of your age. If a kid thinks that they're big and bad enough to commit an adult crime, then they should be big and bad enough to deal with the consequences.

    By acting as if minors shouldn't be treated the same as adults in those crimes, then you're opening the door for more minors to commit those same crimes, knowing that they won't get the same punishment.
    Juveniles can be charged with murder obviously, the question is whether to charge them as an adult. Your post begs the question---why do we have a juvenile justice system? And what exactly constitutes an "adult" crime versus a non-adult crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
    Juveniles can be charged with murder obviously, the question is whether to charge them as an adult. Your post begs the question---why do we have a juvenile justice system? And what exactly constitutes an "adult" crime versus a non-adult crime?
    We have a juvenile system because you can't throw young kids into the same prison system with adults, regardless of the crime. Charging a minor as an adult and throwing them in with adult prisoners are two different things. Not to mention, the prison system is already overcrowded with all of the adults, throwing all of the kids in will just strain it to the limits even further.

    But when a kid commits an adult crime, like plotting and murdering a pregnant woman in her sleep and shows no remorse for it as evident in that mugshot, then you charge him as adult. Charging him as an adult doesn't mean you're going to throw him in with the adults at 11 or 12, it just means you're going to wait until he's of age to throw him in with the adult prisoners.

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    you're either a child or an adult. can't have it both ways. if you're going to charge 11 year-olds as adults, then let them get married, vote, go to war, drive a car, drink, have children, work full time, quit school... but that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
    so why is it that while they're children for everything, if they do something bad enough then people want them tried as adults? IMO because it triggers people's bloodlust and and stop thinking logically and need to see criminals punished as harshly as possible, even if it's irrational.

    and IMO there is no such thing as an 'adult' crime. there are crimes that are more severe than others, but pretty much anyone of any age can commit any crime. the severity doesn't mean they are more or less 'adult'. there is a juvenile system and an adult system. only the defendant's age should determine where he/she is tried, not the crime committed.
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