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    Quote Originally Posted by effie2 View Post
    Our PM will visit Turkey tomorrow.They,ll talk refugees .Not that they,ll resolve anything,just the usual bargaining..we will see.
    Mean while 524000 souls landed in our islands in the last 4 months only.Islands total population 12800 people..
    There should be an international obligation to offer Greece some support and relief of this issue. Where is the Red Cross or the UN or Humanite helping Greece right now, the need is desperate, as far as I can tell. If Turkey agrees to harbor any of these refugees on their islands, let us know. We certainly won't be hearing about that in any US or UK sources.


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    As I said, this is too big of a situation for me to wrap my head around. That said, I have not read, seen, or heard a single thing from Obama that has made me think we are coming at this with strength. Not a single damn thing.
    There are many things I don't like about Obama, but one thing I love about him is his lack of grandstanding and promises of retribution so US Americans can feel "safe" and swell with pride. He doesn't buy into the Bush era and Reagan era rhetoric of deploying troops makes us automatic winners of every conflict (even if it's a small Caribbean island with no weapons or troops.) He doesn't declare battles won or threats defeated, only to have those claims contradicted a month later. He doesn't make promises he can't keep, militarily, which I find a relief.

    Our need for a show of strength has consistently led to making situations worse. Maybe we need some mass cultural therapy to address that need for power actions and words. Ultimately, it promotes an extremely unhealthy environment where violence is glorified...even inside our individual communities.


    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    So what about the UK and Australia? Where are their troops? Oh right, Cameron couldn't get the Tories to vote to send troops to Syria despite being such a macho manly right winger.
    Also, IS isn't only in Syria. Is the West supposed to invade every Muslim country with IS presence? And do what? Keep blowing them up until what exactly? This isn't a State you're combating, traditional warfare and invasions won't help., they'll only wreak more havoc and create more chaos for IS to exploit and gain recruits. You need flexible targeted actions that can be in several places at once and most importantly you need the US and Russia to agree on a solution to end the war in Syria.
    There might be a way to use the Anaconda Plan (basically constricting Daesh fighters into tighter configurations) against Daesh if we can enlist the help of all the border forces. If the defeat of Daesh was awarded and celebrated by other Muslim countries, I'd be ecstatic, for one. We cannot take any credit if we want to truly win over extremism - which is another reason to avoid the Go-Go USA rhetoric.

    Quote Originally Posted by kasippu View Post
    Europe 'human rights' laws are also to blame. The shooters and bombers were known Jihad fighters (self proclaimed) they were on a terrorist list.
    How can they not be extradited, I know some were like 4th generation but still. If you do not like the country you live in and you are going to fight it, you should be expelled from it.
    Belgium is like a nanny state but when it comes to terrorist residents oh we have to keep them. They should really clean those ones out and send them back to were their ancestors came from. They give a bad name to all the muslim people in the country and most are normal kind people like the rest of us.
    No one of us doesn't sympathize with what you are saying, even if there are good arguments against it.

    I fear that whatever happens in Syria and Iraq is going to make little difference with the cultural violence going on in Europe. The raw idea of Black Sites and Guantanamo for the "right people", rather than taxi drivers and mistaken identities, is so very tempting. Stripping extremist Imams and youths of their passports isn't out of the question. Maybe making them apply for asylum in Sharia nations from the isolation of a 4x10 cell room? See where that gets them? "What, none of your glorious Islamic brothers want you anywhere near them either?" I churn through ideas on this and only come up with fantasies.

    The only way I can avoid panicking for Brussels, the UK, France and Holland (where the most active extremists communities reside), is through rose colored glasses that see the cultures of Europe itself are still largely winning. No matter how many Muslim toilets are installed in public buildings, the young aren't using them. I wish the UK would quit buckling under the pressure to hate itself, culturally speaking, quit assuming the US identity as far as war and economics are concerned and regard itself as something unique as a place to live, breathe and enjoy rather than bow to the cultural demands of one fucking religion or US paradigms. It can be done. I've never met an African or Caribbean British citizen who wasn't proud of their British education and fine British spoken English and actively retain all of it while in the USA.

    At least the French understand it's a certain act of revolution to enjoy being French to the core, not as a aggressive action, but as a beautiful independent culture. Brussels needs to step it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    So what about the UK and Australia? Where are their troops? Oh right, Cameron couldn't get the Tories to vote to send troops to Syria despite being such a macho manly right winger.
    Also, IS isn't only in Syria. Is the West supposed to invade every Muslim country with IS presence? And do what? Keep blowing them up until what exactly? This isn't a State you're combating, traditional warfare and invasions won't help., they'll only wreak more havoc and create more chaos for IS to exploit and gain recruits. You need flexible targeted actions that can be in several places at once and most importantly yoEu need the US and Russia to agree on a solution to end the war in Syria.
    We don't officially know but there are most definitely Australian, British, US and probably several other countries' special forces operating covertly in the region. They are the brave people supplying all this accurate Intel about who and where the IS bad guys are.

    Cameron isn't macho at all! He's a weak wanker. So is our new PM Malcolm Turnbull.
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    Ambulance Truck Bomb Found at Hannover Stadium: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know


    Just days after ISIS terrorists attacked Paris, an ambulance packed with explosives was found outside of a soccer stadium in Hannover, Germany, a German newspaper reported.

    The truck disguised as a rescue vehicle was found before the German national team was set to play Netherlands on Tuesday, which led to the evacuation of the HD Arena and the cancellation of the game.

    Police said they had a “concrete threat” that there was a planned explosion at the arena in northern Germany.


    The German soccer team was playing against France when the terror attacks occurred on November 13.


    Here’s what you need to know:


    1. The Cancellation Came About 90 Minutes Before Kickoff

    Police check the stands after the friendly football match was cancelled. (Getty)

    An announcement was made at the Hannover stadium about 90 minutes before the friendly match was set to be played, asking all in attendance to leave the arena. Fans were told to leave “quickly,” but without panic and go home.

    The announcement said, “Please go in small groups back home, it’s better this way.”

    The game was set to start at 8:45 p.m. local time. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other cabinet ministers were set to attend the game.


    According to the Associated Press,
    Hannover police chief Volker Kluwe said on TV, “We had concrete evidence that someone wanted to set off an explosive device in the stadium.”


    An earlier threat had turned out to be a false alarm, police said.


    “After the first object turned out to be harmless, we got a tip that had to be taken seriously that an attack was being planned,” Kluwe said.


    Heavily armed police were seen outside the stadium and were searching vehicles as they left the area.

    There was already tight security at the stadium, the Associated Press reports. Bags were being searched and police bomb sniffing dogs were on hand.

    Ambulance Truck Bomb at Hannover Stadium: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com
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    As things stand I think I'd avoid large public events like this for the time being. They have been emboldened by the "success" of the glorious martyrs in Paris and we can be sure they will try exactly this kind of thing again. And again.

    I know a former senior British intelligence guy who was very involved with the Troubles in N. Ireland and retired to Oz for a quieter life. As if. He can't say too much obviously and I never ask him but he does sometimes hint about what's actually happening rather than the often mangled version of the "facts" we get from the media. His message is basically "keep calm and carry on" but be prepared for a lot of inconvenience and disruption when travelling especially.
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    The security at these events is very high right now so I wouldn't be *too* worried. The England/France game went ahead at Wembley tonight.
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    It's interesting that they just parked it there 90 minutes ahead of the game and abandoned it. It seems like it would have been more like their modus operandi to have someone just drive toward the stadium at 100 miles per hour and then detonate it when they got as close as they could. Doing it this way not only meant that the bomb didn't go off, but also that they left a treasure trove of intact forensic evidence behind.

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    I'm pretty sure no one ever accused radicalized Islamists of being smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    The security at these events is very high right now so I wouldn't be *too* worried. The England/France game went ahead at Wembley tonight.
    Yeah, still, I told DH we'll probably miss out on the Christmas market in Manchester this year :/ We have tickets to a panto, I'll be extra vigilant I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    It's interesting that they just parked it there 90 minutes ahead of the game and abandoned it. It seems like it would have been more like their modus operandi to have someone just drive toward the stadium at 100 miles per hour and then detonate it when they got as close as they could. Doing it this way not only meant that the bomb didn't go off, but also that they left a treasure trove of intact forensic evidence behind.

    Well it is enough to spread more terror.

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    german officials aren't saying what exactly happened yesterday and why, because it would "cause uncertainty". but apparently there were no explosives found after all.



    Paris attacks: deadly police raid in St-Denis is over – latest news





    40m ago11:08
    Summary: St-Denis raid

    The raid in St-Denis is now over. Here’s all the information we have so far.



    • Two people have been killed
    • Seven people have been arrested
    • Five police officers have suffered slight injuries, with a police dog killed


    Details confirmed by French prosecutors and police sources

    • A woman, who blew herself up, was killed in the raid.
    • Another person has been killed by a police sniper
    • Three men, whose identities are unknown, have been arrested inside the apartment.
    • A man and a woman have been arrested in the “immediate vicinity” of the apartment, thought to be the apartment landlord and his female friend.
    • Police have made two more arrests since then, making a total of seven.
    • Officers had been in a standoff with at least one person inside the apartment. What has happened to him is unclear.


    How the raid unfolded

    • The apartment that is the focus of the raid is on a small street, rue du Corbillon, about 2km from the Stade de France, one of the targets of Friday’s attacks.
    • Heavy shooting, including automatic gunfire, and explosions began at about 4.30am.
    • At least seven explosions were heard during the raid by local residents.
    • Roads have been closed off, with military reeinforcements patrolling the area.
    • Residents have been told to stay in their homes and away from windows.
    • Transport to St-Denis has been suspended and schools will not open on Wednesday.
    • Police have escorted out children and others from the scene of the standoff, with paramedics on standby. A counselling centre has been set up.


    What is reported but still unconfirmed

    • Police sources told French media and AFP the target of the raid was the suspected mastermind of the Paris attacks, Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud.
    • There is no evidence yet that these suspects are among the arrests or even in the apartment.
    • Police sources told BFMTV that police had placed a woman under surveillance “several days ago” who they suspected might be sheltering Abdel-Hamid Abu Oud.
    • We do not yet know if this was the same woman who blew herself up at the apartment early this morning.



    Paris attacks: deadly police raid in St-Denis is over – latest news | World news | The Guardian
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    How about this:

    Saint-Denis raid: 2 terror suspects killed, police say - CNN.com

    2 terrorist suspects killed, 7 held after raid in Saint-Denis, officials say

    Latest developments:


    • Wednesday's raid on a building in the northern Paris suburb of Saint-Denis happened after Belgian and French security agencies picked up phone communications indicating a relative of suspected Paris attacks ringleader Abdelhamid Abaaoud was there, a Belgian counterterrorism official told CNN. French police also had strong information that Abaaoud was in France.
    • Investigators will use DNA analysis to determine whether Abaaoud died in that French police operation, according to the same Belgian official. A woman blew herself up when authorities raided the building and French forces used powerful munitions to counter the suspects, resulting in an entire floor collapsing, the source said. Investigators have found body parts among the rubble.
    • Turkish police detained eight ISIS-linked suspects who'd arrived at an Istanbul airport from Casablanca, Turkish police said Wednesday, according to the semi-official Anadolu news agency. The eight Moroccans said they had booked a hotel in Turkey and were preparing to head to Germany -- via Greece, Serbia and Hungary -- the report added, pointing to a document seized by police laying out the travel route.
    • Prime Minister Manuel Valls urged lawmakers to back a proposal extending France's state of emergency for three months, saying leaders need to back up their strong words with actions that allow authorities to be as effective and efficient as possible in clamping down on terror. He told the country's National Assembly that radical Islam is France's enemy and must be named as such.
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    A powerful message from Mark Zuckerberg - 11 hrs · Palo Alto, CA ·

    We've activated Safety Check again after the bombing in Nigeria this evening.

    After the Paris attacks last week, we made the decision to use Safety Check for more tragic events like this going forward. We're now working quickly to develop criteria for the new policy and determine when and how this service can be most useful.

    Unfortunately, these kinds of events are all too common, so I won't post about all of them. A loss of human life anywhere is a tragedy, and we're committed to doing our part to help people in more of these situations.


    In times like this, it's important to remind ourselves that despite the alarming frequency of these terrible events, violence is actually at an all-time low in history and continues to decline.

    Deaths from war are lower than ever, murder rates are generally dropping around the world, and -- although it's hard to believe -- even terrorist attacks are declining.

    Please don't let a small minority of extremists make you pessimistic about our future.

    Every member of our community spreads empathy and understanding on a daily basis. We are all connecting the world together. And if we all do our part, then one day there may no longer be attacks like this.
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    Just talked to French cousin,she went from Rambouillet to the CDG airport.She drove the highway North.Near S.Denis they got stopped and had to turn back.No explanations given.The friend who she was to pick up is still at the airport.Cousin is too tired to try again.It will be a long night for her and Paris..
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    @sluce What does that even mean?
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    @greys - I don't Facebook, but from what I have read, it is a function that allows people to report in that they are safe if they are in an area of a tragedy.

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