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    I also think that the policy is there to not give them any legitimacy as a group with laudable aspirations. Casting them as a criminal gang of like minded psychopaths really pisses them off and allows us to ignore some conventions that we would otherwise have to observe when we have them in custody.

    I may have typed this to be interpreted incorrectly. I meant from an ISIS perspective, not from mine. For ISIS, it would be a feather in their cap to attack the Vatican.
    I'm not sure it would be supported by their doctrine to just out and out attack the Vatican, and these guys are all about doctrine. If the Vatican doesn't call for a war against ISIS, then it is doubtful that they would consider them a target. ISIS seems to have a bigger problem with muslim sects that they feel have gone astray (apostates) such as Shia, some Sunni, and Yazidi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    Maybe not, but a little honesty about what ideology motivates and inspires the jihadis to blow themselves up to kill as many innocent civilian "enemies" as possible might help people understand what we're facing.

    There is no understanding it. Everyone knows enough, they want to kill as Westerners. What more needs be known?
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    There is a value to understanding them, though, because they are different from Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda, even though they are Sunni, are not nearly as sectarian as ISIS. Al Qaeda has been scolding ISIS for its excesses even before Bagdadi was at the helm, and was basically run by his mentor Zarqawi. Zarqawi pissed Al Qaeda off by blowing up other muslims. Also, ISIS derives its legitimacy from holding land (caliphate) while Al Qaeda does not. That kind of difference, among many, is why there are ramifications for knowing what they want, and consequently, how to deal with them.
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    Saudi Arabia has been trying, for over a decade, to drag the USA into Yemen to wage a proxy war against Iran. I'm fairly proud that we haven't taken the bait there. Again, this shows why the treaty with Iran was important. It's a slap in the face to the Sauds, showing them that they do not control our foreign policy.

    Iran is far from perfect but they have not veered from their stated purpose of protecting all other Shi'ite Muslims. Yemeni Shi'ites are under constant attack and Iran is above board that they support the Houthis. If the Saud's and Iran have fed the civil war in Yemen, that is their business, sadly, since we can't do anything about it. I think the Saudi support of Daesh (ISIS) goes far beyond Iran. The Sauds know their oil is finite and want to claim the assets of more fertile, cooler, rainy lands in the name of Islam. Ultimately, it won't work under any scenario the Sauds can dream up. Still, the Sauds can also distract Muslims from rising up against the corruptions of Riyadh if they keep the focus on sins of The West (they have hundreds of millions of pilgrims entering the country every year at Mecca and Medina. Imagine if all those turned against the Sauds.)

    Turkey has just claimed they warned France about two of the terrorists. Bullshit. Turkey needs a swift, sharp, lesson on what it is to be European and an alleged ally of the USA. Erdogan talks neutrality and ushers militants over the border without any checks whatsoever. The USA can use it's airbases in Turkey to monitor that border if Erdogan doesn't start to act like a real ally. Or the USA can leave Turkey to it's fate with an open border with Syria and the EU countries suddenly shutting down all pathways to Turkey in and out of their countries. If Turkey thinks that Islam will protect it from Arab extremists, guess again. Turkish support for the Daesh killings of Kurds and Yazidis should earn it a ton of diplomatic fallout...I hope.
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    Our PM will visit Turkey tomorrow.They,ll talk refugees .Not that they,ll resolve anything,just the usual bargaining..we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    The second part of his statement is important:


    Thanks for adding it. This is the only part of his speech shown on the news show I was watching. The addition doesn't change my reaction to his comments.

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    Bella, the Vatican spoke out because they know they are targets. How awesome would it be for ISIS to go and bomb/shoot up/terrorize the Christian capital of the world? Surprised they haven't tried it already.

    As far as Iran, I watched a PBS special several years ago, before Obama was elected, in regard to Iran. Behind the scenes, there is a very "western" section of government that communicates with the White House, but neither Iran or the Bush Administration would admit it. This section has been working with the more Muslim faction of government to get them to be more open to the West. Ultimately, I think Iran could be our biggest ally, but again, neither side would admit that. If the West and Russia went at ISIS from the Syria side, and Iran took the Iraq side, this would be the best option to taking them out. And, we need to take out the Caliph. I am very anti "boots on the ground" because I think that's exactly what they want, based on Mo's article from The Atlantic.

    I have mixed feelings on Israel. I think they bring most problems on themselves. I think they position themselves to be the vicitim, when at times the are the aggressor. I have read plenty of stories about their ability to seize and take over homes of the Palestinians. Since these jokers can not live next door to each other peacefully, I do think there should be a separate Muslim state, and the Muslims stay on their side, and the Israeli's on their side, with Jerusalem being a neutral holy ground enforced by the UN.
    Maybe. but they have been under threat from radical Islam (among others) for decades/centuries. Pope Francis has always called for peace. This is a huge departure.

    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    It seems that France has been able to launch very accurate air strikes on very specific IS targets. They obviously knew exactly where to go. They were also able to raid several homes in France and Belgium to arrest and question known "people of interest". They obviously already had the Intel so why the hell didn't they scoop these fuckers up before? Fears of accusations of racism and abuse of human rights from refugee and civil rights advocates no doubt.

    I note that dangerous idiot Obama still can't bring himself to use the "M" or "I" word in all his waffling platitudes. He may not like it but at times like this the world looks to America to show some backbone and leadership and he's supposed to be in charge. Not necessarily launching a new all out war in the Middle East; we're past that now and the battlefield has moved to the cities of Europe and before long to America too. But he has to be honest and say very clearly what and who we're dealing with.
    I agree they should be named.

    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    There is no understanding it. Everyone knows enough, they want to kill as Westerners. What more needs be known?
    Agree.



    Admittedly, there are too many pieces of this puzzle for me to get my head around. Each decision seems to be one that will cause dominoes to fall. That said, we have a POTUS who is waffling on stage and giving every reason why no action is the right action, while France is bombing Syria.

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    I have not seen our President say no action is the right action. He has said measured action is best. I prefer that to what we have done in past - bomb first and ask questions later - which escalates the problem.
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    We have been taking action. The US led coalition has been hitting them with airstrikes for over a year, since September 2014. I don't know where the idea that we're doing nothing is coming from.


    Could we do more? Do Americans as a group want to send US soldiers into the middle of another country's civil war/clusterfuck? Is there real support out there for that idea?
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    Several members here have sons of age to serve. Are you all ready to send your boys off for "boots on the ground," or do you expect the sons of others to give their lives while keeping your own sons safe at home?
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    As I said, this is too big of a situation for me to wrap my head around. That said, I have not read, seen, or heard a single thing from Obama that has made me think we are coming at this with strength. Not a single damn thing.
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    ^^^^
    lack of hawkish bush II era rhetoric isn't synonymous with lack of action. like witch said, there have been pretty systematic airstrikes for about a year and just recently a NATO coalition and russia started more intensive airstrikes in syria. there are no troops on the ground in syria because the last time obama floated the idea of a full-on military operation/invasion of syria by the american public and congress it was clear it was going to get shut down both by democrats and republicans. cameron and his conservative government tried that in the UK too and parliament voted it down. ironically, socialist françois hollande was the only major western power who said he would follow obama with airstrikes and troops on the ground in syria but given the lack of support in congress, obama ended up not taking him up on that offer.
    but of course the republicans seem to have forgotten that and are now claiming obama isn't doing enough and that's the rhetoric that right-wingers are repeating like gospel.
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    All while assholes like Trump get on their soapbox about how he would just bomb all of "them." Carson is supporting the republicans who want to stop the plan to accept the scheduled 10,000 refuges unless they are Christian.

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    I just heard from an old friend who lives in Paris. He's lost 4 employees from his small PR company who were in the restaurant, and a couple who owned his popular local cafe were killed in the Bataclan concert hall. Obviously he's deeply shocked but not surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    I just heard from an old friend who lives in Paris. He's lost 4 employees from his small PR company who were in the restaurant, and a couple who owned his popular local cafe were killed in the Bataclan concert hall. Obviously he's deeply shocked but not surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    We have been taking action. The US led coalition has been hitting them with airstrikes for over a year, since September 2014. I don't know where the idea that we're doing nothing is coming from.


    Could we do more? Do Americans as a group want to send US soldiers into the middle of another country's civil war/clusterfuck? Is there real support out there for that idea?
    God I hope not, my baby is a soldier now and so is lobes'.
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