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    so they are saying that her body has no physical marks on it (aside from the bullet wounds). no bashed in head, no beat marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faithanne View Post
    Re 3 - and who shoots a burglar 4 times anyway, other than Americans? *ducks bullets*
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    ^ Do you think he'll actually go to prison? It wouldn't surprise me if he walked.
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    ^ I genuinely didn't notice that when I wrote it!
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    Yeah I thought you were making a funny too
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    Me three but I was on my phone and didn't post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    ^ Do you think he'll actually go to prison? It wouldn't surprise me if he walked.
    I still think he will get special treatment and now that Botha stuffed up with his detective work this case can go in Oscar's favour.

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    Cop in Oscar Pistorius case facing attempted murder charges


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    • February 21, 2013 6:01PM




    The investigator in the Oscar Pistorius case, Hilton Botha, is facing attempted murder charges, it has emerged. Picture: AFP Source: AFP


    THE lead investigator in the case against Olympian Oscar Pistorius faces attempted murder charges in an October 2011 shooting, say South African police.

    Police Brigadier Neville Malila said detective Hilton Botha is scheduled to appear in court in May on seven counts of attempted murder.
    Mr Malila says Mr Botha and two other police officers fired shots while trying to stop a mini-van in the incident.
    The prosecution said they were unaware of the charges against the detective when they put him on the stand in court to explain why Pistorius should not be given bail.
    Mr Malila said police learned yesterday, the same day that Mr Botha appeared in court to oppose Pistorius' bail application, that the charges against Mr Botha and the two others had been reinstated by the Director of Public Prosecutions. They were initially dropped following the shooting incident.


    Medupe Simasiku, the spokesman for the prosecutors charging Pistorius with premeditated murder, said he couldn't say how the charges against Botha would affect their case against Pistorius.
    It was clear they could undermine it, however.
    The revelation came as the prosecution case against Pistorius began to unravel with revelations of a series of police blunders and Mr Botha's admission that authorities have no evidence challenging the double-amputee Olympian's claim he killed his girlfriend accidentally.
    Pistorius faces a charge of premeditated murder.
    Detective Botha's often confused testimony left prosecutors rubbing their heads in frustration as he misjudged distances and said testosterone - banned for professional athletes in some cases - was found at the scene, only to be later contradicted by the prosecutor's office.
    The second day of what was supposed to be a mere bail hearing almost resembled a full-blown trial for the 26-year-old runner, with his lawyer, Barry Roux, tearing into Mr Botha's testimony step by step during cross examination.
    Police, Mr Botha acknowledged, left a 9mm slug from the barrage that killed Reeva Steenkamp inside a toilet and lost track of illegal ammunition found inside the house. And the detective himself walked through the crime scene without wearing protective shoe covers, potentially contaminating the area.
    Authorities, Mr Roux asserted, were selectively taking “every piece of evidence to try to extract the most possibly negative connotation and present it to the court.”
    The case has riveted South Africa, with journalists and the curious crowding into the brick-walled courtroom where Pistorius, dubbed the Blade Runner for his prosthetic legs, faces a charge of premeditated murder in the Valentine's Day slaying.
    Pistorius says he mistook Steenkamp for an intruder and shot her out of fear, while prosecutors say he planned the killing and attacked her as she cowered behind a locked bathroom door.
    The day seemed to start out well for the prosecution, with Mr Botha offering new details of the shooting that appeared to call into question Pistorius' account of the moments leading up to the 29-year-old model's death.
    Ballistic evidence, he said, showed the bullets that killed her had been fired from a height, supporting the prosecution's assertion that Pistorius was wearing prosthetic legs when he took aim at the bathroom door. The athlete has maintained he was standing only on his stumps, and felt vulnerable and frightened as he opened fire from a low position.
    Projecting a diagram of the bedroom and the bathroom, prosecutor Gerrie Nel said it showed Pistorius had to walk past his bed to get to the bathroom and could not have done so without seeing that Steenkamp was not asleep there.
    “There's no other way of getting there,” Mr Nel said in disputing Pistorius' claim that he had no idea Steenkamp was no longer in bed when he pumped four bullets into the bathroom door, striking her with three.
    Mr Botha backed the prosecutor up, saying the holster for Pistorius' 9 mm pistol was found under the left side of the bed, where Steenkamp slept, and it would have been impossible for Pistorius to get the gun without checking to see if she was there.
    “I believe that he knew that Reeva was in the bathroom and he shot four shots through the door,” the detective said.
    Mr Botha described how bullets struck Steenkamp in the head and shattered her right arm and hip, eliciting sobs from Pistorius, who held his head in hands.
    However, when asked if Steenkamp's body showed “any pattern of defensive wounds” or bruising from an assault, Mr Botha said “no.” He again responded “no” when asked if investigators found anything inconsistent with Pistorius' version of events, though he later said nothing contradicted the police version either.
    Testimony began with the prosecutor telling the court that before the shooting, a neighbor heard “nonstop” shouting between 2am. and 3am at Pistorius' upscale home in a gated community in the capital, Pretoria.
    However, Mr Botha later said under cross examination that the witness was in a house 550 metres away, possibly out of earshot. He cut that estimate in half when questioned again by the prosecutor, as confusion reigned for much of his testimony.
    At one point, Mr Botha told the court that police found syringes and two boxes of testosterone in Pistorius' bedroom - testimony the prosecution later withdrew, saying it was too early to identify the substance, which was still being tested.
    “It is not certain (what it is) until the forensics” are completed, Medupe Simasiku, a spokesman for South Africa's National Prosecution Agency, told The Associated Press. It's not clear if it was “a legal or an illegal medication for now.”
    The defence also disputed the claim. “It is an herbal remedy,” Mr Roux said. “It is not ... a banned substance.”
    Still, Mr Botha offered potentially damaging details about Pistorius' past, saying the athlete was once involved in an accidental shooting at a restaurant in Johannesburg and asked someone else “to take the rap.”
    The runner also threatened men on two separate occasions, Mr Botha said, allegedly telling one he'd “break his legs.”
    The detective said police found two iPhones in Pistorius' bathroom and two BlackBerrys in his bedroom, and none had been used to phone for help. Guards at the gated community did call the athlete, Botha said, and all he said was: “I'm all right,” as he wept uncontrollably.
    Mr Roux later suggested that a fifth phone, not collected by the police, was used by Pistorius to call for help.
    The question now is whether Botha's troubled testimony will be enough to convince Chief Magistrate Desmond Nair to keep Pistorius in prison until trial. While Pistorius faces the harshest bail requirements under South African law, the magistrate has said he would consider loosening them based on testimony in the hearing. Final arguments were scheduled for tonight.
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    This case is just getting messy now

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    OK, this is fixing to go downhill.
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    Incredible.

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    Pathetic. They should just end this mess now and save time, obviously he's gonna get away with it.
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    I'm afraid I agree. The case is already hopelessly compromised and he'll either be acquitted like OJ or the charges will be reduced to something like involuntary manslaughter.
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    Yes, Botha's lack of research and evidence has ruined the case. So slack.

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    David Smith @SmithInAfrica Roux: I can't say there's no possibility she would shout, but the probability is that Steenkamp would have locked herself in toilet.

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    The charges against Botha had been dropped and they are suddenly now reinstated when he is key to convicting this national hero? Nothing suspicious there.
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    Is it usual that a bail hearing is this drawn-out and detailled? I found that quite odd.
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