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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenna View Post
    Dunno, if he was suffering from a mental illness severe enough to absolve him of responsibility for killing someone, then doesn't he still bear some responsibility for carrying around a hunting knife knowing he was having problems like that? I know psychotic people don't feel they are pscyhotic but it sounds like other people were telling him something was wrong and to get help. Might want to consider not carrying around a deadly weapon in that case.
    But surely that's the problem? Crazies don't know they are crazy. That's why they don't seek help in the first place.
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    This is an honest question because I don't know: do people who have psychotic episodes realize during their normal periods that things they thought and did during an episode weren't normal or right?

    Also, would someone in a psychotic episode calmly reboard a bus, move their stuff to the back of the bus next to someone, wait 20 minutes, and then start stabbing him?

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    Dunno. I've never had a psychotic break, let alone a mental illness (thank God) but I'm guessing they don't have sufficient self awareness to know up from down, let alone right from wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenna View Post
    Somebody on a Canadian news forum was saying he feels sorry for the killer because the Canadians must have just treated him so badly in order for him to go and do a thing like that, and a couple dozen people agreed with this
    I guess it's really incomprehensible for some people to think that sometimes things happen for no reason.

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    Just more thinking out loud, not trying to be sarcastic at all or anything: can a person in a psychotic break think rationally enough to choose the littlest guy on the bus, or the the person sitting at the back where he could attack without being flanked by people from either side?

    If he is mentally ill enough to absolve him of responsibility, then of course the justice system must take that into account, but these factors make me too skeptical to assume that is the case. Of course my opinion will follow that of the professionals once they've made their assessment. I'd rather believe he was mentally ill than evil, and it was my first thought, but the more details I heard the more skeptical I became. But like I said, I don't know much about mental illness of this nature.

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    Assuming it was choice and he was chosen for that reason. I don't think we'll ever know if it was or if it was random. (in response to Ravenna)

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    He probably thought the guy sitting next to him was The Devil or something. You can't begin to understand what goes through a Crazy's mind when he flips. I'm the World's Biggest Cynic but if someone does something this crazy they are not mentally competant to be subject to the normal legal process. He will be locked away indefinitely in an institution for the criminally insane and that will be that.
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    Well, one of the witnesses said the killer had been sitting somewhere else and then after a smoking break, they reboarded and he picked up his stuff and moved it to the back next to the victim- that is what really makes me wonder. But I guess there isn't much use in speculating. He might not have bothered to move his stuff if he'd been planning the attack either.

    This case is haunting me. But I still hope no one listens to the people who are calling for the same sort of security for bus travel as air travel, because of this extreme, one-off incident. It could have just as easily happened on a city bus, subway car, cinema, in a shopping mall, on the street- anywhere.

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    Source: CBC.News.ca


    This story contains graphic details
    Suspect in bus killing delivered newspapers, worked at McDonald's
    Slain man 'will always be in their hearts,' friends say


    The man accused of stabbing a young Winnipeg man aboard a Greyhound
    bus delivered newspapers for several Edmonton publications and had
    worked at McDonald's, according to one of his employers.

    Vince Weiguang Li, 40, worked for a contractor delivering the Edmonton
    Journal, the National Post and the Edmonton Sun, his boss Vincent Augert
    told CBC News Friday.

    "I'm still kind of shocked and surprised, to be honest with you. He just
    never came across as the type of person that could do something like
    that. He was a nice guy
    ," Augert said.

    "He was there every day, he did a good job, was friendly and really,
    we had no problems with this individual at all
    ."

    Li worked for the distribution company for about 13 months, but left in
    April for a short period before returning to the job in June. The Edmonton
    man also worked at a McDonald's restaurant, according to Augert.

    RCMP announced Friday morning that they had charged Li with second-
    degree murder. Police said he has no previous criminal record.

    Police have not confirmed the identity of the man stabbed to death, and
    then beheaded according to witnesses, aboard a bus late Wednesday, but
    court documents name him as Timothy McLean. Friends have also confirmed
    22-year-old McLean was the victim, describing him as bubbly and well-loved.

    Vince Weiguang Li leaves provincial court in Portage la Prairie, Man., on
    Friday. He remained silent during his appearance in court. (Rob
    Swystun/Portage la Prairie Daily Graphic/Canadian Press) Augert said last
    heard from Li three weeks ago, when the man said he needed a couple of
    days off to attend a job interview in Winnipeg at the end of July. When
    Augert called Li's cellphone on Tuesday to ask why he hadn't showed up
    for work, Augert spoke to a woman he said he believed was Li's wife.

    "[She] mentioned that he'd had an emergency, he had to go out of town,
    and that she wasn't sure where he went and wasn't sure if he'd be back
    the following morning to deliver his newspapers," Augert told CBC News.

    Li appeared for a hearing Friday at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage
    la Prairie around 10 a.m. CT without a lawyer and refused to speak to
    anyone.

    He shuffled into the courthouse under the weight of heavy leg shackles,
    with his eyes focused on the floor. His right hand was heavily bandaged
    and there was visible bruising on his face.

    The judge asked him twice whether he had a lawyer, but the accused
    just stared at the ground. When the judge asked whether Li was exercising
    his right to remain silent, he nodded his head.

    The Crown asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said the
    accused must see legal aid about getting a lawyer before proceeding
    further. Li was remanded into custody until his next appearance on Tuesday.

    "It's early and I think the judge just wants to respect his rights to speak
    to counsel, and he's giving him that opportunity," Crown prosecutor Larry
    Hodgson said outside court. "I don't think it will be very long that they'll
    allow him to do that."

    Hodgson said if Li doesn't get his own lawyer, the court could appoint one
    or the case could proceed anyway.

    Second-degree murder, under the Criminal Code, is generally unpremeditated
    murder. First-degree murder refers to a killing that is planned and deliberate,
    but also when death is caused by sexual assault, kidnapping, forcible
    confinement or hijacking an airplane.

    McLean 'missed dearly'
    In an e-mail to CBC News, friend Jossie Kehler wrote that McLean was loved
    by everyone, had a bubbly personality and was a ladies' man.

    "He has a lot of friends and they all are very upset he's gone, and they
    would like to say they miss him and he will always be in their hearts," she
    wrote.

    "People say no one's perfect, but Tim, he was," she wrote. "He did nothing
    bad to anyone."

    Tim McLean, shown in a photograph from his MySpace page, was described
    by friends as a bubbly person loved by everyone. Thousands of Facebook
    users flocked Friday to a tribute group titled 'RIP Tim McLean' set up
    overnight to send their condolences to family and friends as well as express
    their shock at the grisly story that made international headlines.

    "You are loved and you will be missed dearly!" the site description read.

    Friends say McLean had taken a job with the Red River Exhibition and
    then went to work in Edmonton, but had decided to return home.

    On McLean's MySpace page, under the name JoKAwiLd, he describes himself
    as five-foot-five, weighing about 125 pounds.

    Witnesses initially described the attacker as a hulking man over six feet tall
    who appeared to weigh more than 200 pounds but in court on Friday, Li
    appeared to be about five-foot-eight or -nine, with a stocky build.


    Father trying to reach wife
    McLean's father, Tim McLean Sr., told CBC News on Thursday night that he
    was in the process of trying to get confirmation from the police that his son
    was, in fact, the victim.

    He said he was also trying to reach his wife, who is on an Alaskan cruise until
    next week.

    Police officers spent Thursday examining the Greyhound bus where the
    attack took place. (CBC)The father said his son had sent him a text
    message around 7:30 p.m. as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg
    of its journey, to ask whether he could come home for the night.

    McLean Sr. told his son that of course he could come home. That was the
    last contact they had.

    The RCMP would not confirm reports the victim was beheaded, saying only
    that a stabbing took place around 8:30 p.m. CT on an eastbound Greyhound
    bus on the Trans-Canada Highway about 20 kilometres west of Portage la
    Prairie.

    An autopsy was scheduled for Friday at the Winnipeg Health Sciences
    Centre, and police were waiting for the results before deciding, with input
    from the family, whether to make the victim's name public.

    "The RCMP are mindful of the range of emotions being experienced by the
    family of the deceased over the loss of their loved one in such a horrific
    incident. Our thoughts are with them," the RCMP said in a statement.

    Victim sleeping when attack began
    Witnesses said the victim got on the bus in Edmonton, while his attacker
    came aboard in Brandon and sat away from the victim toward the front of
    the bus, they said. After a short cigarette break, however, the attacker
    moved his belongings and chose a seat beside the young man.

    Garnet Caton, who was sitting in the seat in front of the victim, said the
    young man was sleeping with his headphones on when he was attacked.

    Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and turned around to see the
    attacker holding a large hunting knife and repeatedly stabbing the victim.

    "He must have stabbed him 50 times or 60 times," said Caton, who jumped
    out of his seat when he realized what was happening and began ushering
    passengers to the front of the bus.

    Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded
    the vehicle to see whether the victim was still alive. At that point, Caton
    said, the suspect was beheading the victim.

    The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding
    the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio. When the attacker tried to
    drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.

    RCMP crisis negotiators communicated with the suspect for several hours
    while he was on the bus. Around 1:30 a.m., he attempted to jump from a
    bus window and was subdued and arrested, RCMP said.


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    Ya I know it was a stressful situation but eyewitness reports first said he was bald also. I was picturing some tattooed, bald headed, muscle bound freak.

    Yet again some are saying they couldn't believe this guy did this, he was mellow, etc. etc. (though some thought he was starting to act odd)

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    Wow, whatta way to lose your head..

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    I don't give a fuck what his excuse is. This poor innocent guy lost his life and his friends and family have to live their rest of their life knowing he died so horrifically. Not to mention the people on the bus who are probably permanently traumatized.

    This guy is a fucking arsehole and should rot in hell, i don't care if he has every condition under the sun. What a rotten human being.

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    I would prefer to call him a severely defective being...
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