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    If the British police had been brought in to investigate this from the get go the mystery would have been solved a long time ago. Portuguese police protocols and procedures were/are woefully inadequate and I remember there being a lot of antagonism between the two when the Brits offered their forensic skills and experience which the Portuguese resisted.

    Oh and the Aussie cops cocked up the Chamberlain case when they failed to interview the dingo.
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    The Portuguese police may not have been bad at all. The McCanns want them to be, and threw fits and cried victim status whatever the Portuguese said or did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    The Portuguese police may not have been bad at all. The McCanns want them to be, and threw fits and cried victim status whatever the Portuguese said or did.
    Two things that stand out as negatives of the Portuguese police were 1) not isolating the crime scene and letting it become contaminated, and 2) leaking information to the press, especially when the information was not confirmed or suspect, like the LCN DNA.

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    Exactly. They were very sloppy and a lot of vital evidence was either missed or compromised. A UK cop who reviewed all the events was appalled that so much Forensic 101 stuff was so badly mishandled - much to the relief of the McCann's no doubt.

    Even if they weren't directly involved in Maddy's death - and I'm certain she died that night - they know a lot more than they've ever admitted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Two things that stand out as negatives of the Portuguese police were 1) not isolating the crime scene and letting it become contaminated, and 2) leaking information to the press, especially when the information was not confirmed or suspect, like the LCN DNA.
    hold on - the McCanns let 20 people trample around the appartment prior to calling the police, you can't blame the Portuguese police for that.... The McCanns knew what they were doing & they continue to cry that their kid is missing to divert attention from a body search (IMO).
    Shes buried by her parents, on a hill over looking a bay, under a tree. I'm convinced of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    I would think if they did it, they'd want the investigation / story to die. Aren't they the ones always calling for more attention? They could easily play the part of mourning parents who've lost all hope and go quietly home. I think investigators would let the case go cold at that point.
    I honestly think two factors are at work here.

    #1 I think they have played the part of 'parents of an abducted child' for so long and so hard that they almost believe it themselves.

    #2 They have become addicted to the publicity. They get interviewed and asked for soundbites quite a lot, especially when another child has gone missing, they got an audience with the pope, they are flown around the world and get buckets of sympathy and money from wellwishers. And so on and so on.


    And I've said it before and I'll say it again; if the McCann's were lower on the social scale then they'd have been hauled into court and done for child neglect by now, at the very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    hold on - the McCanns let 20 people trample around the appartment prior to calling the police, you can't blame the Portuguese police for that.... The McCanns knew what they were doing & they continue to cry that their kid is missing to divert attention from a body search (IMO).
    Shes buried by her parents, on a hill over looking a bay, under a tree. I'm convinced of it.
    The Portuguese lead forensic examiner did say that 20 people had gone in and out of the room the night that Madeleine disappeared, and it appears that it was before the police got there. I think it's a mistake that a lot of parents would tend to make as they first realize that there child hasn't just wandered off, and they enlist more and more people to help look for her. However, when the police did get there, they did not tape off and isolate the scene. That was one of a number of errors that were cited in a Telegraph article at the time. Below is the list:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200802260.../wmaddy101.xml
    The 15 key blunders

    By Richard Edwards
    Last Updated: 2:29am BST 02/06/2007


    Four weeks after Madeleine went missing, the police investigation into her disappearance still appears to be suffering from the “basic errors” made in first few hours.
    1 Police were at the scene quickly but officers played down suggestions that Madeleine had been abducted and believed she had just wandered off. The crime scene in and around the hotel was not taped off, ruining prospects of obtaining vital forensic evidence.
    2 There was a lack of specialist fingertip searching in streets around the hotel meaning more opportunities to find forensic evidence were lost. A former senior British detective working for the media called the scene "the worst preserved" he had witnessed in his career.
    3 Officers failed to make early house-to-house inquiries when potential witnesses were still likely to be in the resort. Only on the Saturday, more than 48 hours later, did they start searching some local apartments and a full list of guests was obtained on Sunday. Staff at Mark Warner's complex were only questioned 60 hours after Madeleine disappeared.
    4 There are still people in the same apartment block as Mr and Mrs McCann who have never been questioned. Empty properties yards from where the child was taken have never been searched.
    5 Police failed to inform Spanish border authorities of Madeleine's disappearance until the morning after she was taken - giving the abductor the chance to flee the country.
    6 CCTV on the main road out of Praia da Luz, going towards Spain, was not checked by police.
    7 Early witness descriptions created confusion. At one stage there were six different E-fit images being shown to local people.
    8 On the morning of May 7, Gerry and Kate McCann issued a televised appeal direct to the abductor. Six hours later, a police chief said at a press conference: "We are not 100 per cent certain she was abducted."
    9 Detectives could not issue information on the investigation due to strict Portuguese laws on "judicial secrecy". However the law includes two exceptions, both of which apply in the case of Madeleine.
    10 It meant no direct appeal for help was made and police failed to give a clear description of Madeleine. There were no posters put up in the early days. It was left to Madeleine's parents to describe what she as wearing on the night she disappeared.
    11 An appeal for a suspect was finally issued 22 days after Madeleine went missing, together with a description. However police made another blunder by issuing two different height descriptions - the result of a mistranslation.
    12 On May 9 the search was scaled down \u2026 searches were not very visible, helicopter not used much.
    13 There was a delay in calling in specialists. Two British child abduction experts were flown in a week later, mobile phone tracker technicians who helped in the Soham investigation came in last week.
    14 Leaks have hampered the inquiry. On May 16, Portuguese newspapers reported that police were "on the trail" of a Russian friend of Robert Murat, the formal suspect in the case. He was only detained for questioning after he had been traced by journalists.
    15 Madeleine's favourite toy could have been a crucial key in tracking her down. She took it to bed with her every night including the night she was taken. The abductor could have left some trace of DNA evidence on it, but police did not check and Mrs McCann has had the pink soft toy with her ever since. One specialist said scientists would have needed to examine it for at least several days. He said: "Now it's probably too late. It's an absolute glaring error."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novice View Post
    100. As you may be aware, on British police advice, the Portuguese Police asked top dog handler Martin Grime to bring his springer spaniels, Eddie and Keela, to Praia da Luz. Eddie is trained to detect the scent of human corpses; Keela is trained to detect the presence of human blood. Eddie had never given a false alert in around 200 previous outings. He alerted to the odour of a human corpse in these locations: four different places in the McCanns’ apartment, two of Dr Kate McCann’s clothes, one of their children’s T-shirts, on the pink soft toy, ‘Cuddle Cat’, and in two places in the Renault Scenic that the McCanns hired. Eddie did not alert to a corpse scent anywhere else in Praia da Luz. Keela detected blood at some of these places. How do the McCanns best explain the ‘alerts’ of these two highly trained springer spaniels? (In 2008, Portuguese TV interviewer Sandra Felgueira asked Dr Gerald McCann: “How can you explain the scent of cadaver found by the British dogs?” Dr McCann answered, and we quote verbatim: “Ask the dogs, Sandra”).

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    Eddie & Keela searching the apartment & car - www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EHJjpXii9o

    The Truth of the Lie documentary:
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    How can a child that has been drugged to ensure it sleeps "wander off"? Humm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post


    The Truth of the Lie documentary:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGhlYTNisw
    I'm watching this right now with an open mind. I admit, it's pretty fascinating.

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    So now it's a gypsy child abduction ring...where are all those kids these gypsies have been snatching over the years? Only the McCann's love their kid enough to report it? I can't believe the British investigators would take this seriously.

    ‘I Know Who Took Her’: Serial Pedophile’s Deathbed Confession, As Madeleine McCann Case Reopens | Radar Online


    As Scotland Yard finally reopens the investigation into Madeleine McCann‘s disappearance, long-abandoned clues are coming back to light. Among them, the shocking deathbed confession of a serial pedophile who claimed to know who was behind her kidnapping.

    Wayne Hewlett, the son of recorded pedophile Raymond Hewlett, told The Sun in 2010 that he had received an “unnerving” letter regarding the case from his father a week before he died.
    “He said a very good gypsy friend he knew in Portugal had got drunk and let it out that he had stolen Maddie to order as part of a gang,” Wayne explained. “My dad said this gang had been operating a long time and had snatched children before for couples who couldn’t have children of their own. Maddie had been targeted. They took photos of children and sent them to the people they were acting for. And they said yes or no.”
    PHOTOS: Kate McCann And Gerry McCann Run For Miles For Missing People
    At the time, Raymond Hewlett was living at a campsite just one hour’s drive away from the luxe Praia da Luz hotel in the Portuguese Algarve region, where Madeleine vanished in 2007.
    When this information first surfaced, the investigation into Madeleine’s death had been closed for two years. But now, it’s among the many leads that British investigators could pursue as they attempt to solve the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance once and for all.
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    I thought that that one had been laid to rest a while ago?
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    I've often wondered in cases like this, why the parents create a story. If it was an accident and they had no intention of killing the baby, it would be best to tell the truth. I could never understand how you can drug your baby, why not a babysitter or relative to watch him/her? It has to be exhausting to try and maintain this farce. If they admit what they did, if they actually did something; what charges would they face, if any. Sorry for all the ifs. Just my thoughts. Cases like this really get under my skin.

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    If it happened like I believe (see post#112) then if they'd confessed they would have lost their medical licences, their jobs, their "standing" in the community, their reputation and possibly their other kids. They would have been humiliated and vilified and treated like pariahs. If the truth comes out now it will be all the above x eleventy. There was a huge amount at stake and I can understand why they decided to cover it up.
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    I don't know what to think about this case. I checked Kate McCann's book out of the library here, and I found it pretty compelling. I agree that the theory that they drugged Madeleine, inadvertently killing her, seems the most plausible. The only thing I can't figure out is how they would have been able to dispose of the body (especially in an area they were unfamiliar with) without anyone seeing them, and how they would have been able to dispose of it so well that it's never been found.

    I also wonder if it's possible that one of their friends/dinner companions was responsible for whatever happened, and the McCanns truly have no idea.

    To me, this is reminiscent of the JonBenet case... parents part of a tightly knit group of friends who were all together shortly before the crime, some of whom had falling outs afterwards, and a young child missing/dead under suspicious circumstances that heavily point to an inside job and a freak accident and a staged abduction/murder, with all of the adults seemingly covering for each other. I kind of wonder if there could also be an element of sexual abuse to this case, involving several of the adults, and she was either killed inadvertently during a failed attempt at some sort of sexual assault that got out of hand, or to keep her quiet because of something she witnessed/experienced and was starting to complain about. It doesn't make sense to me that the other adults would go along with a coverup if it were just Gerry and Kate who drugged their kids and were responsible for this. So, that makes me think it may be more complicated than just an accidental overdose.

    Our local library only has the Kate McCann book, but I'd be interested to read books about the case presented from the other side.
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