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    JonBenet was sexually assaulted by the handle of the paintbrush used to form the garotte. That to me says prepubescent brother. A grown man who could physically do the deed would have, IMO, used his peen, not the paint brush. As far as hair, that could have come from any number of places. In the dryer for example, if the items were washed or dried with something else. When you do laundry, do you do it one piece at a time?
    Also, IIRC, JonBenet had been to the pediatrician something like 30 times in the year before her death. Many of the visits were for a UTI which is highly unusual in little girls. UTI/Cyctitis is notorious as 'honeymoon discease'...if you follow where I'm going with this.

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    ^ I had a lot of trouble with cystitis when I was a kid, not as young as Jon Benet, but still.
    I really can't see how the brother could have committed that crime to be honest. There have been rapists/killers that have stuck objects inside their victim, it doesn't mean the culprit is young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    She screamed and he slid down and ran,leaving the ladder. Only one of us would have been taken.
    He would have grabbed one of you and run. That is the classic scenario. On the other hand, JBR's supposed killer hung out in the house practically the whole night, writing a novel sized ransom note. No kidnapper, no pervert, no child killer in history has EVER behaved like that

    (sorry to sound so clinical about your experience. I really like your mother, though, who didn't traumatize her girls with the experience but let them play with it in their own way. I love moms who protect their kids that way.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseguy View Post
    But these were two of the country's best homicide investigators. If I'd been accused of murdering my child, I'd go with the best too.
    Still, they were paid off. In fact, it was Smits who fed all the hidden details of the crime to that fellow who falsely confessed to it (name escapes me right now.) Honest investigators don't do things like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seapharris7 View Post
    Boulder police were, putting it as nice a possible, completely unskilled/unprofessional and grossly neglectful with their investigation.
    No argument here. The Boulder cops refused the help of the FBI until it was too late. It seemed to many that these cops were trying to protect this fine family of Boulder from national attention...at first.

    Quote Originally Posted by buttmunch View Post
    I didn't know any of that. It's a weird story but I have no idea what to think about it.
    It's a puzzle, for sure.

    That ransom treatise + no evidence of any intruders leads me to the conclusion that Patsy unintentionally killed JB and then concocted a wild story afterwards. The staging of JB in the basement, in some fantasy of how a child molester would leave her, points to Patsy as well. She was an avid reader of crime novels and mysteries. Most of the details in this case indicate a reader of crimes rather than someone who actually commits crimes.

    What finally convinced me was the age of the DNA on JB's underwear. Those tiny blood drops were years old and completely invisible. They were probably sourced from the factory where they had been made.


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    JonBenet was sexually assaulted by the handle of the paintbrush used to form the garotte.
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    One theory is that Patsy tried to break JB's hymen with the paintbrush handle to support the scene she had envisioned.

    I actually feel sorry for Patsy. She should have just called 911, rather than concoct this feverish plan to escape all judgement.
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    No. Some of JonBenet's vaginal injuries were 'chronic'.

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    Those tiny blood drops were years old and completely invisible.
    Children out grow clothing really fast. I don't know many 6 year olds who would have underwear that were carrying years old blood stains from the factory. And factories certainly don't have clothing lying around for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Children out grow clothing really fast. I don't know many 6 year olds who would have underwear that were carrying years old blood stains from the factory. And factories certainly don't have clothing lying around for years.
    Non-perishable goods can sit in warehouses for years. The gusset part of the underwear can be hand-stitched months or years in advance of being sewn into the exterior cloth.
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    I've made apparel for the past 20 or so years. It doesn't work like that. Finished parts of items doesn't sit around for years waiting to be sewn to other parts.
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    2. The McCanns were on vacation, in an unfamiliar place. The theory that they hid the body assumes that they would have had the time and wherewithal to hide the body so that nobody would ever find it. I'm not sure how they would be able to pull that off.
    Wasn't there some sort of large suitcase that they had and brought with them to the new apartment? I didn't follow the case closely, but I thought the theory was that they hid the girl's body in a large suitcase, then hid it in the trunk of car and disposed of it later, not that night.

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    They're after more oney (again - wonder if this'll go on their mortgage too?)
    McCanns lodge complaint with police
    (UKPA) – 6 days ago
    Madeleine McCann's parents will lodge a complaint with Portuguese police alleging that former detective Goncalo Amaral broke his country's strict judicial secrecy laws.
    Kate and Gerry McCann are already embroiled in legal action against Mr Amaral in an attempt to ban his book which claims their daughter is dead.
    Now the couple intend to accuse him formally of passing on information about the police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance before the case was closed - a criminal offence in Portugal.
    The McCanns' Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, claimed Mr Amaral broke the law by sending a draft of his book to his publishers several months before the judicial secrecy period in the case was lifted in July 2008.
    The lawyer also alleged the ex-policeman released facts about the investigation that were not in the case files.
    It will be for the Portuguese public prosecutor to decide whether the former detective has a case to answer.
    Mr and Mrs McCann, both 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, flew to Portugal this week to hear Mr Amaral attempt to overturn their ban on his book, Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.
    The judge, Maria Gabriela Cunha Rodrigues, is expected to send her ruling directly to the McCanns and Mr Amaral before the end of February. There will then be a full trial on whether the injunction banning the book should be made permanent at a later date, Ms Duarte said.
    The McCanns are also seeking 1.2 million euro (£1.08 million) in compensation for defamation in separate proceedings against Mr Amaral in Portugal.
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    The Press Association: McCanns lodge complaint with police
    Not sure why they're aren't being "sued" under the same laws but hey... whatever.
    McCanns face ten year court battle to clear their name as Portuguese detective vows to fight on


    By Vanessa Allen
    Last updated at 9:43 AM on 15th January 2010Kate and Gerry McCann face the prospect of ten years of hearings and appeals after a Portuguese policeman said he would fight any attempt to silence him.
    Goncalo Amaral, the former detective who has accused her of faking her daughter Madeleine’s abduction to cover up her death, vowed to drag the McCanns to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).

    But Kate McCann insisted the couple were right to take legal action against him for libel, despite criticism that the court case has given him a platform for his allegations.

    Heartache: Kate McCann and her friend Fiona Payne arrive at the court hearing in Lisbon

    Accused of libel: Goncalo Amaral, former coordinator of the Portuguese Judicial Police, arrives at the court

    However, she admitted: ‘It’s been difficult.’

    Amaral said he would turn to the ECHR if he lost his bid to overturn a worldwide injunction which bars the sale of his book about the Madeleine investigation.

    He said he would go to Strasbourg to win the right to repeat his accusations that Mr and Mrs McCann were involved in her disappearance.
    The McCanns’ lawyers have accused Mr Amaral of using the court case to air false allegations against the couple.

    Mrs McCann, 41, said: ‘It is difficult to hear something that is incorrect and inaccurate – but this is the right course to take. I truly believe we are doing this to help the search for Madeleine.’

    She admitted she had found it painful to listen to three days of evidence about Mr Amaral’s accusations against her.

    Madeleine has been missing since May 2007

    She said: ‘If I’m honest, our daughter has been taken and nothing is ever going to be as bad as that.’

    Lawyers for Mr Amaral, 50, have asked the court in Lisbon to overturn the McCanns’ injunction, granted last September.

    Speaking outside court, he said: ‘This is about the fundamental right of freedom of speech, not just for me but for everyone in Portugal.’

    The libel hearing was adjourned on Thursday until next month when more witnesses will be called.

    Mrs McCann flew back to Britain with Fiona Payne, one of the group of friends who were in Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
    Police made the McCanns 'arguidos', or formal suspects, in the case four months after Madeleine disappeared.
    But this status was lifted when the investigation was shelved in July 2008 with prosecutors concluding they had no evidence that they committed any crimes.
    The McCanns have said any damages awarded by the courts would go towards paying for private investigators to look for Madeleine.

    Gerry McCann in courthouse clash


    Gerry McCann also lashed out at accusations that the couple had faked their daughter's abduction on Wednesday.
    Sickened by police slurs that he and wife Kate were involved in Madeleine's disappearance, the grim-faced father confronted journalists on his way into court.
    Asked why they had taken legal action over the claims, Mr McCann turned on a Portuguese television reporter and demanded to know if she was a mother. 'Do you have children?' he snapped. 'Anyone who has children would go through the same process.'
    Ordeal: Gerry and Kate McCann talk to reporters as they arrive at court

    Mr McCann appeared to struggle to control his anger as he returned to hear a second day of allegations.
    He said: 'There is absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead. Let me finish please.
    'There's absolutely no evidence that Madeleine's dead, and there's absolutely no evidence that we are involved.'
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    Published: 12 Jan 2010



    A POLICE report into the disappearance of Maddie McCann said she died in the family's holiday apartment, a court was told today.

    The lawyer in charge of the original inquiry said the report was signed by Tavares De Almeida, who was chief inspector of police at the time the youngster vanished.



    Jose Magalhaes e Menezes also revealed that text messages sent by Kate and Gerry McCann were intercepted by Portuguese police who were suspicious about the couple's role in the then almost four-year-old's disappearance.
    But the texts were not considered as part of the 2007 investigation because a judge would not allow it.
    Trial ... Goncalo Amaral

    Mr Menezes was the first witness called at a libel trial brought by the McCanns against former police chief Goncalo Amaral.
    His book — "Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie" — claimed the tot died in the family's apartment in the holiday resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.
    The McCanns have always maintained their daughter went missing as they dined with friends in a restaurant nearby.
    Mr Menezes said the decision to make the McCanns arguidos — Portuguese for suspects — was taken after sniffer dogs brought from England identified blood in the couple's flat and rental car.
    The dogs also found a scent on a piece of cloth in a flat rented by the McCanns after they left the apartment, he said.
    The McCanns want £1MILLION compensation and a ruling to stop Amaral repeating his claims.


    The couple's lawyer told the court they were prepared to give evidence — but only after Amaral had done.
    The McCanns have also called a new witness — named Luis Frois — in the trial.
    Amaral was in charge of the original Maddie investigation, but he was taken off the case after slamming British cops in an interview.
    Arriving in Lisbon yesterday, Mr McCann said: "No-one can be allowed to say that our daughter can't be found without very good evidence. That's what this court case is about."
    Mrs McCann said: "We're looking for justice."


    and finally

    MADELEINE KATE'S VISION
    Just weeks after Madeleine McCann vanished, sobbing mum Kate rang the Portuguese detective appointed to look after her to tell of a horrific dream in which she had seen her daughter's dead body.
    Distraught Kate said Madeleine had been lying on a hillside overlooking the beach at Praia da Luz. She begged Inspector Ricardo Paiva to search the spot.
    Astonishingly, rather than inspiring pity at a desperate mother's plight, the incident sparked only suspicion in the minds of the officers who were supposed to be hunting Madeleine and her abductor.
    And yesterday Paiva told a Portuguese court the frantic phone call was the crucial episode that led to both Kate and Gerry becoming suspects. Kate and Gerry sat just yards from Paiva as he gave evidence in their libel trial against disgraced exdetective Goncalo Amaral.
    He said: "The turning point of the investigation came after I received a phone call from Kate. She was alone as Gerry was away and she was crying.
    "She said she had had a nightmare and saw Madeleine's body lying on a hillside and we should search for her there. She gave the impression that she thought she was dead."
    Paiva, a family liaison officer, said he took the call at the end of July 2007. Madeleine had vanished on May 3.
    Police duly searched the hillside but found no clues.
    But Paiva said the call was the catalyst that persuaded Portuguese police to ask their British counterparts to bring in sniffer dogs to examine the McCanns' flat.
    He told the Lisbon court: "We decided to send the specialist dogs in. British police informed us about how they could detect the scent of death."
    But the detective admitted the police had been suspicious of the McCanns from the start - simply because they had tried to give the stalled hunt for Madeleine some much-needed momentum.
    He added: "They disobeyed our request to keep quiet about the details of their daughter's disappearance while we conducted our investigation. Instead, they turned it into a media circus."
    Paiva cruelly even insisted the McCanns should have faced prosecution for leaving their three children alone in the holiday flat while they dined with friends.
    He added: "They should have been pursued for neglect. People have been arrested for far less, even in the UK."
    Kate and Gerry are suing Amaral, who led the early stages of the Madeleine inquiry until he was sacked for criticising British police. They have a worldwide injunction stopping publication of his book Maddie: The Truth of the Lie, which accuses them of faking their daughter's abduction after she died in their Praia da Luz holiday flat in a tragic accident.
    The couple, from Rothley, Leics, listened intently yesterday as more Portuguese officers gave evidence in support of the disgraced ex-policeman.
    Kate regularly shook her head in frustration. Gerry remained grim-faced.
    But at times it was hard to avoid the feeling that the hearing was more like a trial of the couple than an examination of Amaral's vicious claims.


    At one stage during one outrageous allegation, Gerry put a comforting arm around Kate's shoulders.
    Inspector Tavares De Almeida, who worked under Amaral, bluntly accused the couple of covering up Madeleine's death. He said: "The conclusion arrived at was Madeleine died in the apartment.
    "The McCann couple simulated the abduction to hide the fact they had not taken care of their children.
    "They were suspected of concealing the body and simulating the kidnap.
    "We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death. There was no homicide.
    "They did not kill but they concealed the body." De Almeida insisted Amaral's book was "a true history."
    Asked if he believed Madeleine had died on the night she vanished, he replied: "Yes, she is dead."
    He claimed British police agreed. He added: "We all believe she died. It was the conclusion of both Portuguese and British police."
    District attorney Jose Menezes, who gave the go-ahead for the McCanns to be made official suspects, said his officers eventually reached the conclusion Kate and Gerry concealed Madeleine's body.
    He also accused the McCanns of lying about checking on Madeleine and her twin brother and sister every 30 minutes the night she vanished.
    Mr Menezes added: "It was longer, like every 45 or 50 minutes. It seems there was a lie in the investigation." But he also admitted there was no evidence to charge the McCanns conceded it was "Fifty-fifty" whether Madeleine was still alive.
    Luis Neves, ex-head of Portugal's serious crime squad, said a British profiler employed by Portuguese police had given him impression the McCanns were involved in the disappearance.
    Another investigator claimed police had evidence of text messages between the couple following Madeleine's disappearance.
    But they were denied permission to read the contents of the messages by the judge under privacy law.
    After yesterday's session the McCann's spokeswoman Claudia Nogueira said hearing the allegations had been painful.
    She added: "I think it is hurting them. They can feel hurt by these things being repeated again and again and again.
    "However, they know what really happened so they are confident. They just want to find their daughter."










    I hate how aspects of the British zenophobic press are "pro-McCann" just because they're Brits... Its disgusts me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    JonBenet was sexually assaulted by the handle of the paintbrush used to form the garotte. That to me says prepubescent brother. A grown man who could physically do the deed would have, IMO, used his peen, not the paint brush.
    Also, IIRC, JonBenet had been to the pediatrician something like 30 times in the year before her death. Many of the visits were for a UTI which is highly unusual in little girls. UTI/Cyctitis is notorious as 'honeymoon discease'...if you follow where I'm going with this.
    As awful as it sounds, inserting a foreign object into a victim is very common when done by a sadistic sex offender. Many books have been written about this and homicide profilers say it is common when the sex offender is a loner and an outcast from society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    ^ I had a lot of trouble with cystitis when I was a kid, not as young as Jon Benet, but still.
    I really can't see how the brother could have committed that crime to be honest. There have been rapists/killers that have stuck objects inside their victim, it doesn't mean the culprit is young.
    Agree. Also, UTI is one of the most common infections of childhood.
    Urinary Tract Infection: eMedicine Pediatrics: General Medicine

    I've been teaching for 15 years and it is VERY common in young children and usually the parents have a quiet word with the teacher at the start of the year so that the child does not have to stress about being allowed to go to the toilet urgently.

    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    He would have grabbed one of you and run. That is the classic scenario. On the other hand, JBR's supposed killer hung out in the house practically the whole night, writing a novel sized ransom note. No kidnapper, no pervert, no child killer in history has EVER behaved like that
    JonBenet lived in a huge mansion of a house. The killer was a sick individual and maybe once inside the house realised that the owners were loaded with money and wrote a ransom note. He then grabbed JonBenet and used a stun gun on her (twice) to keep her quiet. JonBenet was murdered just beneath the exit point of where the killer entered. (By the way, there was a lot of evidence to support a break in). The killer then sexually assaulted JonBenet (maybe he didn't want to wait) and used implements lying nearby to garotte her and sexually assault her. He didn't spend the whole night there, probably no more than an hour. It was in the middle of the night and it was a very large house.

    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    Still, they were paid off. In fact, it was Smits who fed all the hidden details of the crime to that fellow who falsely confessed to it (name escapes me right now.) Honest investigators don't do things like that.
    Smits fed all the hidden details to John Mark Kerr???? Where is your source for that?? Kerr was emailing a journalism professor from the University of Colorado, and that's how he was tracked down and arrested in Thailand. Smits had nothing to do with Kerr.

    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    No argument here. The Boulder cops refused the help of the FBI until it was too late. It seemed to many that these cops were trying to protect this fine family of Boulder from national attention...at first.
    It was the opposite - they were not trying to protect the Ramsey family. The Boulder cops made the huge mistake of not looking for anybody else as they thought it was the Ramsey's. In fact, Smit had to go to court to get his evidence protected as he was certain that the Boulder police would destroy it, as his evidence highlighted monumental errors the Boulder police had. Smit was the one protecting the Ramsey family, and definitely not the Boulder Police!

    By the way, Smit was not hired by the Ramsey family, but by the Distrist Attorney. Smit went into the case fully believing the Ramsey family were guilty, but soon realised there was a huge amount of evidence pointing to an intruder who murdered JonBenet, and this evidence was overlooked by the incompetent Boulder police.

    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    That ransom treatise + no evidence of any intruders leads me to the conclusion that Patsy unintentionally killed JB and then concocted a wild story afterwards.
    Ok - here is the evidence that there was an intruder that night:
    • Evidence of an intruder found in the Ramsey's basement, including a broken open window with a suitcase and broken glass under it, and a window-well to this window with signs of recent disturbance;
    • Material from the window-well found in the room where JonBenét was discovered
    • Unidentified shoe prints in the basement and unidentified palm prints on the door to the room where JonBenét was found, which do not match those of anyone in the Ramsey home and have not been sourced;
    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    What finally convinced me was the age of the DNA on JB's underwear. Those tiny blood drops were years old and completely invisible. They were probably sourced from the factory where they had been made.
    It should convince you that the Boulder police sat on this evidence for YEARS and did no investigation. That is the reason the drops of blood were years old. The blood came from the killer on the night JonBenet was murdered. If the Boulder police were competent, they would have submitted this DNA immediately and it would have cleared the Ramsey family from any involvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    I actually feel sorry for Patsy. She should have just called 911, rather than concoct this feverish plan to escape all judgement.
    I feel sorry for her because her six year old child was murdered and through the sheer incompetence of the Boulder police, Patsy was blamed for her child's death. She was 49 when she succumbed to cancer, and she died not knowing who murdered her little girl. I just hope they are together now.
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    ^^ There are multiple JonBenet threads you know......
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    ^^Yeah, we got a bit carried away.


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    #1 Crime Commited with Madeline McCann: Gross Parental Negligence

    The parent's paid a high price, but Madeline paid the highest price.

    It really sucks to have stupid parents.

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    The parents are still paying a high price. Although I am sympathetic, I do wonder what was in the texts on that night.

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    Default Investigator Says Madeleine McCann Kidnapped by Portuguese Pedophile Ring



    Investigator Says Madeleine McCann Kidnapped by Portuguese Pedophile Ring, Possibly in the U.S. - FoxNews.com

    A private investigator says he has identified two key suspects in the 2007 kidnapping of Madeleine McCann and believes she was taken to the United States.

    Marcelino Italiano, 36, told the Sun he's informed police that the then 3-year-old was taken by a Portuguese pedophile ring that hunts children in the Algarve region of southern Portugal then smuggles them out of the country, the Sun reported.

    "I know these people were involved and I have been told that Madeleine may now be in America," he said. "…I think there have been over a dozen children kidnapped. They prey on the weak and vulnerable."

    Madeleine vanished in May of 2007 while vacationing with her family in Algarve.

    Italiano told the Sun the "ruthless" ring has high-level contacts in the Portuguese government and links to a law firm in London and has already attacked him twice during his investigation.

    He said he's given a dossier of information -- including the names and photographs of two prominent businessmen he suspects in the kidnapping – to police in Huelva, Spain, who passed in on to Portuguese authorities.

    Portuguese police as well as private investigators hired by the Find Madeleine Fund are investigating the claims.

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