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    Amanda Knox judge says she may have 'been responsible' after all | World news | guardian.co.uk

    Amanda Knox judge says she may have 'been responsible' after all


    Judge says acquittal of US student and Rafaelle Sollecito was based on 'truth created in the proceedings'

    Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, left, reads the verdict at the appeal trial of Amanda Knox, in Perugia. Photograph: Alessandro Bianchi/Reuters

    The judge who presided at the trial of Amanda Knox and her former Italian boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, has reportedly said they may be guilty after all. Speaking just two days after he and his fellow judges handed down a full acquittal on appeal, Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, said the court's verdict "is the result of the truth that was created in the proceedings. But the real truth may be different. They may be responsible, but the evidence is not there."

    The 69 year-old judge was speaking to the Corriere della Sera newspaper in the latest of several interviews he has given to media organisations since reading out the verdict on Monday night. On Wednesday, he had already begun to muddy the waters, telling another interviewer: "This will remain an unsolved truth. No one can say how things went."
    Hellmann's remarks were all the more unexpected because he and the other judges could have reached a less clear-cut acquittal. Italian courts have ruling options in which the appellants are acquitted for lack of evidence a verdict similar to "not proven" in Scottish law.

    Monday night's decision was the climax of a dramatic and at times searingly acrimonious appeal that attracted global attention. It was reached by Judge Hellmann and a second professional judge sitting alongside six lay judges drawn by ballot from among the public.
    The acquittal of Knox and Sollecito meant that the only person left in jail for the 2007 murder of the British student Meredith Kercher is Rudy Guede, an Ivory Coast-born drugs peddler. He admitted he was in the house on the night she died, but denied he killed her. Guede is serving a 16-year sentence after opting for a fast-track trial. Hellmann said: "I cannot affirm that Rudy Guede is the only one who knows what happened that night." But he added: "He certainly knows and hasn't said. Perhaps the two [other] accused, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, also know."

    Commenting on protests outside the court in Perugia after the verdict was announced, the judge observed that many Italians had already decided on Knox's guilt. "I think it stems from [her] American nationality," he said.
    Hellmann added that he was sorry to see the prosecutors had taken the outcome as a defeat. "If I had been in their place, with the elements they had, I would have done the same," he said. The prosecutor who led the investigation, Giuliano Mignini, has indicated that he wants to contest the court's decision in Italy's highest appeals tribunal. But the court, in Rome, normally deals only with points of law and procedure.
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    Amanda Knox to learn fate over Kercher murder retrial


    Amanda Knox at her appeal hearing at Perugia's Court of Appeal on September 29, 2011, which she won. Photograph: Oli Scarff/Getty Images

    Amanda Knox, the US student acquitted of the murder of her British flatmate, Meredith Kercher, will on Monday learn if she and her former boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, are to face yet another trial. Italy's highest appeals court is due to rule on a prosecution application for their convictions to be reinstated.
    If the court decides against them, they could face a retrial in Florence. Otherwise they will finally be in the clear, and entitled to compensation for wrongful imprisonment.
    Knox, a student at the University of Washington, and Sollecito, who is now studying in Verona, were acquitted on appeal in October 2011 after four years in jail. The judges found DNA evidence used to convict them was unreliable.
    Kercher, aged 21, from Coulsdon, Surrey, was found stabbed to death in the flat she shared with Knox in the Umbrian hill town of Perugia in November 2007. In a 111-page submission to the Court of Cassation, the prosecution said the verdict contained numerous omissions.
    The judges will make their decision on points of law rather than the evidence. They will also rule on the validity of Knox's conviction for slandering a bar owner, Patrick Lumumba, whom she accused of Kercher's murder.



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    1. I STILL feel as though this girl is guilty.
    2. Bitch REALLY needs to learn about makeup. Here's a tip, twat: your face and your neck should be the same fucking color!
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    Well, her acquittal was overturned this morning, so there will be a new trial (watching updates on "Today" show). However, it was stated that she cannot be forced to return to Italy.
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    Will she need a lawyer present in Italy? I'm wondering if she'll have to pay for a complete defense again.

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    I'm gloating. This cold bitch knows exactly what happened.
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    I'm happy with this news. Although the US will never send her back to Italy will they? So it's all a bit of a let down if that's the case.

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    I think she should be sent back to stand trial... this time. The US won't do it, I don't think. And I can't wait until our next runaway convict makes it to Italy so that those Italians can say "NO.. and also, fuck you!"...

    ETA: from CBS News
    (CBS News) Italy's highest criminal court overturned Tuesday the 2011 acquittal of Amanda Knox in the murder of her British roommate. The court ordered a new trial to re-hear the case against Knox and her Italian ex-boyfriend for the murder of Knox's roommate, 21-year-old Meredith Kercher.
    Shortly after the news broke, Knox issued a statement through her lawyer that said: "It was painful to receive the news that the Italian Supreme Court decided to send my case back for revision when the prosecution's theory of my involvement in Meredith's murder has been repeatedly revealed to be completely unfounded and unfair."
    CBS News legal analyst Jack Ford said that, unlike the justice system in the U.S. where an appeals court ruling is final, the high court in Italy had the power to go back and throw out her acquittal, essentially bringing the case back "to the very beginning."
    Italian prosecutors will now decide if they're going to re-try her, Ford said before adding, "You have to believe they will. Otherwise why would they have gone through this process all the way up to here?"

    The Italian court cannot compel Knox to return to Italy, and whether she will appear in the Italian courtroom for her third trial remains the big question.
    "If I'm her lawyer, I'm saying there is no way in the world I'm going to let you go back to Italy and be tried," Ford said.
    The trial can move forward and Knox can be tried in absentia.
    "If you voluntarily absent yourself from a courtroom, you can still be tried there," Ford explained. If she is found guilty in the new trial, the verdict raises an "entirely new set of legal questions," namely, "whether or not she gets extradited" from the U.S. to Italy.
    Details of the ruling were not issued on Tuesday and will not be issued publicly for several weeks.


    So, even IF she is found guilty, would the US extradict that ass? Could be a fascinating case.
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    I think they would, just my guess.
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    I really dont care if she ll go to retrial or not,in fact i am sure she wont.I am curious about the boyfriend..he ll have to keep mum..Now if he was to spill the beans..
    No doubt in my mind that sick cold little bitch is in..No way a normal human being will go shopping for porn undies first thing in the morning after finding her room mate gutted and raped..sucking face in public with her boyfriend..And then accusing and ruining the life of the man who gave her a fucking job..How can you believe a word out of her lying mouth...
    Maybe Italians didnt do a good job in the beggining,but i am glad they decided to retrial now.
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    i'm not convinced of this girls innocence, but I'm thinking the US won't send her back. Extradition is interesting. From what I remember of one of my law classes in college (practically in the stone ages), the US won't extradite to countries that "re-try" someone that is acquitted of a crime or someone that is found innocent and the country decides to re-try them.

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    I think she's guilty as hell, or at least hiding something, but then again I read the British press when this happened and that was very aggressive in condemning her.
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    It's interesting reading through this now, as so much of the initial reporting has been proven false- she wasn't doing cartwheels, or shopping for sexy lingerie, she didn't buy bleach (that woman admitted the police told her to lie).

    While it doesn't prove innocence, it sure does show that there were a lot of falsehoods pushed regarding this story.
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    This girl reminds me so much of Angelina Jolie,i think they both are mentally unstable ,liars and bad actresses.I cannot feel empathy for neither,because i think they only feel it for their own selves and no one else.They both give me the bad vibe of self serving ,sociopaths ,playing the victim or the saint .totally believing they will manipulate and bend people to their wills and purposes.I am not buying.
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