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    i've been reading about this on the bbc and how meredith's family are complaining that with the appeal and trial and all that people are 'forgetting' about meredith and only talking about the other 2 suspects.
    i get that they're feeling that way but what do they expect? what is there to say about meredith? she's dead. there's nothing new. of course the media and the public are focusing on the 2 that are appealing their verdict. do they expect everyone to sit around and spend just as much time talking about what a nice girl meredith was?
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    It has been determined now that the knife's blade did NOT contain Meredith's DNA. It actually contained particles from rye bread. This in addition to the fact that it was already determined the knife in question could not have created the wounds on Meredith.

    I also don't consider a few incidences of mixed DNA in a bathroom that Meredith and Amanda shared to be reliable evidence. Of course there will be mixed DNA.

    Amanda and Rafaelle's DNA could not be found in Meredith's room or on her body. Guede's could, very clearly. That eliminates the possibility of an elaborate cleanup, because it would have been impossible for them to eliminate every trace of themselves while leaving Guede's DNA.

    I think it happened to Meredith because she was all that they weren't
    This quote is obnoxious and this type of statement is exactly why I have a problem with the Kerchers. It makes them feel better about what happened to trash everyone else's reputation and character so that they can portray Meredith as some sort of saint. They aren't doing their daughter any favors with this type of attitude. From what I understand, she herself was a casual drug user as well and in a sxual relationship... the very things that they demonize Amanda for. Both girls exhibited traits and behaviors that are not uncommon in college students. For them to suggest that Meredith was this perfect angel and that this happened because everyone was just soooo jealous of her is disgusting and embarrassing. I feel like they are living in a fantasy world and in denying the reality of the situation they are actually impeding true justice, not helping to serve it.

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    Live blog: Italian jury reaches ruling in Amanda Knox murder appeal

    Editor's note: Watch the ruling on CNN.com or on any of the CNN apps live at 3:30 p.m. ET

    [Updated at 2:55 p.m. ET] CNN's Richard Allen Greene reports from inside the courtroom: At least five plainclothes Carabinieri police in court in addition to the usual uniformed officers.

    Defense attorneys Luciano Ghirga and Carlo Dalla Vedova have arrived at court as well. When asked about Amanda Knox's mood, Dalla Vedova smiles and says "I don't know. I haven't seen her for a few hours."

    Sollecito's lawyer Giulia Bongiorno has also entered the courtroom.

    [Updated at 2:46 p.m. ET] So, what will happen when the jury hands down their ruling?

    There are three possible outcomes for the defendants:

    1) Verdict is upheld: In this case, Knox and Sollecito will continue serving their respective 26 and 25-year jail sentences. However, prosecutor Manuela Comodi has called for their sentences to be increased to life.

    2) Verdict is overturned

    3) Verdict is partially overturned, with a decrease in sentence (verdicts can be upheld on some counts but not others, this may result in a decrease in their sentences).

    [Updated at 2:44 p.m. ET] Amanda Knox's family have just arrived at the courthouse. Her mom and dad, her stepmom, stepdad and her sisters are the first to enter the courtroom after journalists were let in.

    In about 45 minutes they will find out whether their daughter will remain in prison in Italy or return home with them after the four-year saga of the case.

    [Updated at 2:39 p.m. ET] CNN's Antonia Mortensen reports that hundreds of onlookers have gathered around barriers places around the court entrance in hope of a glimpse of the families and Amanda Knox.

    A young local Italian woman who is a student in Perugia told Mortensen this appeal ruling is like the event of the year in Perugia. She added that it has become a spectacle or a movie.

    A middle aged Italian Perugian outside the court told Mortensen that he can't wait for this to be over so that the town can get back to normality. He calls this situation 'a circus'.

    He added "the Italian legal system is very good and we should have faith in it."

    Meanwhile, more police officers have arrived at the court, Mortensen reported, but so far neither Meredith Kercher nor Amanda Knox's relatives have arrived at the courthouse.

    [Updated at 2:30 p.m. ET] A caravan of cars believe to have Knox and Sollecito inside has arrived near the courthouse in Perugia, Italy.

    Two police vans have arrived with a police car escort, CNN's Richard Allen Greene reports.

    Sirens are competing with clicks of dozens of photographers shutters, he said.

    Onlookers appeared to rush after the vans to try and get a glimpse inside.

    [Updated at 2:27 p.m. ET] A media vigil of sorts continues at the prison where Knox has been held for almost four years, CNN's Paula Newton reports.

    Knox will return here no matter what happens - either to return to the same cell to finish out her sentence or to collect her belongings and officially leave Italy for Seattle, Washington.

    We'll find out which of those scenarios it will be in about one hour when the ruling is read aloud in court.

    [Updated at 2:24 p.m. ET] CNN anchor Becky Anderson reports there are barriers set up outside the entrance to the court holding back hundreds of camera crews and observers.

    [Updated at 2:21 p.m. ET] The streets outside the court in Perugia, Italy are packed.

    Journalists from hundreds of media outlets from around the world and members of the public have swarmed the area.

    [Updated at 2:12 p.m. ET] When the ruling comes down it will be a decision made by eight jurors - six members of the public and two judges.

    The judges take part and vote as part of the jury: their role is to guide but not to instruct the other jurors how to vote. The presiding judge, Claudio Pratillo Hellmann, who is also one of the jurors, will then read out the verdict.

    [Updated at 2:04 p.m. ET] A van has left the prison where Amanda Knox an Raffaele Sollecito were being held while the jury deliberated.

    It is believed Knox and Sollecito are in the convoy of vehicles that left the prison and en route back to the courthouse to hear the ruling.

    Sollecito is normally not held in the same prison as Knox but was held there during the deliberations.

    [Posted at 1:59 p.m. ET] An Italian jury has reached a decision on whether it will uphold or overturn the convictions of Amanda Knox and her former boyfriend Raffaelle Sollecito in the murder of British student Meredith Kercher.

    The ruling will be read at 3:30 p.m. ET (9:30 pm local time), the court said Monday.

    The jury deliberated for nearly 10 hours before reaching their decision.

    Knox and Sollecito, who returned to prison after speaking in court Monday morning, are likely to begin heading back to the court in Perugia, Italy, now to hear their fate.

    Nearly four years after she was arrested on suspicion of having killed her roommate in this picturesque Italian university town, Amanda Knox stood up in court and pleaded with a jury Monday to overturn her conviction.

    "I am not what they say I am. I did not kill. I did not rape. I did not steal," Amanda Knox said, her voice trembling with emotion. She was making perhaps the most important speech of her life, and it showed.

    Knox and co-defendant Sollecito have been fighting to be acquitted of the murder. Prosecutors have called for the pair's sentences - of 26 and 25 years, respectively - to be increased to life.

    Live blog: Italian jury reaches ruling in Amanda Knox murder appeal – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs
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    [Updated at 3:18 p.m. ET] The family of victim Meredith Kercher has arrived in court.

    Upon their arrival CNN's Becky Anderson asked Meredith's brother Lyle Kercher how he was feeling. His response: "Nervous."

    Anderson reports the entire Kercher family looked very tired and very emotional.

    [Updated at 3:17 p.m. ET] CNN's Matthew Chance tweets from inside the courtroom:

    @mchancecnn: More than dozen judicial police in plain clothes in court "in case of public disorder" #AmandaKnox

    [Updated at 3:13 p.m. ET] Italian media outlet ANSA reports that the ruling has been pushed back to 3:45 p.m. ET.

    [Updated at 3:12 p.m. ET] Carlo Pacelli, the lawyer for Patrick Lumumba who was first accused in the crime, is in court, apparently the first from the prosecution side to arrive.

    Last week Pacelli called Knox satanic and Lucifer-like. He's smiling and chatting with journalists. He fought for defamation damages for the bar owner Knox was convicted of libelling.

    [Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET] CNN's Matthew Chance tweets from inside the courtroom:

    @mchancecnn: Tension intense inside court among handful of journos allowed in #AmandaKnox #meredithkercher
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    [Updated at 3:44 p.m. ET] CNN's Matthew Chance tweets from inside the courtroom:

    @mchancecnn: Charged atmosphere inside court. The defendants, the families, the media all on edge. Silence!!

    [Updated at 3:37 p.m. ET] Amanda Knox and Raffaelle Sollecito have entered the courtroom to hear their fate.

    Knox, who is wearing a black jacket, is flanked by three female guards behind her. She appears slightly nervous, and is beginning to tear up as she sits at the defendant's table awaiting the jury's ruling.

    [Updated at 3:29 p.m. ET] CNN's Hada Messia reports that prosecutors Manuela Comodi and Giuliano Mignini have arrived in court.

    Mignini greeted the Kercher family, shaking their hands and then kissing Meredith Kercher's sister Stephanie on the cheek.

    Lawyers for the defense and the prosecution have shaken hands and exchanged a few words as they await the jury's ruling.

    CNN's Richard Allen Greene notes that more than a dozen plainclothes police officers are now inside the courtroom.
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    she lost the appeal...i knew it!
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    Just announced on tv...cleared on all charges except slander, time served for that, so they're both freed.
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    [Updated at 3:55 p.m. ET] As one of Sollecito's lawyers left court a group outside the Perugia building began booing.

    [Updated at 3:52 p.m. ET] There was an audible gasp outside the courthouse when the verdict was read in court.

    Knox and Sollecito were swiftly taken out of the courtroom.

    Knox's family hugged and celebrated inside the courtroom after hearing the news as Amanda Knox appeared to turn around and smile at them.

    Knox and Sollecito will go back to prison to pick up their things and then will be free to leave.

    [Updated at 3:48 p.m. ET] A jury has partially overturned the conviction of Amanda Knox.

    The jury as overturned the murder conviction but upheld the conviction on the defamation charges.

    The judge has called for silence in the courtroom as applause erupts.
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    yeah,she is cleared of murder...
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    i'm glad. not sure 100% they're innocent but i'm glad if only because of the ridiculous way italy handles this entire case.
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    oh great, in Germany we call it Tšterschutz, meaning that the 'offender' is better protected than the victim. it's a pathetic world we live in.

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    Well, I read that they didn't just find her not guilty due to insufficient (or mishandled) evidence; they found her not guilty of the crime, period.

    I can't remember all the details of this case as I haven't refreshed my memory on it in a while. But I did a lot of reading at one point and came away with the feeling that Guede obviously did it, and that Knox and her bf had nothing to do with the actual killing. I've always felt that she was basically railroaded. This case is creepy on a lot of levels, not least of all that Guede only got 16 years and Knox was vilified to a really weird, absurd degree. Satanic sex rituals? right. ok. How about just building a good, solid case through competent police work? It looks like they did not do that.

    It will be interesting to see what else comes out regarding the prosecutor's conduct during the case. The past history there is certainly suggestive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche View Post
    oh great, in Germany we call it Tšterschutz, meaning that the 'offender' is better protected than the victim. it's a pathetic world we live in.

    RIP meredith


    um, the victim's dead so that's kind if a given. and this was a lengthy process and the initial verdict was always controversial so how can you be so sure this was the wrong decision?
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    It was the black kid that did it,alone..we never heard his version of what happened..
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