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    We are lost.
    You might be. I'm right here.


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    While we waste our time with the pseudo important question whether he was gay or not,
    Growing up in a world/culture/family that hates gays may have been a component. What do you think happens to a child raised to hate what he is?

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    who aren't highly educated
    This one had post-secondary education.

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    the Islamic world still doesn't condemn violence, infact the sacralisation of killing in the name of Allah will get stronger.
    I have no idea what you mean by "infact the sacralisation" but the rest is hogwash.

    Afghanistan's president condemned this act and offered his condolences and support. So did his second in command. Pres.@AshrafGhani: "I unequivocally condemn the horrific attack in #Orlando, #Florida, #USA. Nothing can justify killing of civilians" "My sympathies and thoughts are with the families of the victims, the American people and the US government. #Orlando ##Florida" "This attack in #Orlando is telling us that terrorism knows no religion, race, boundary and geography. Terrorism must be eliminated." "I would also like to offer my sympathies to the people & government of U.S. for the tragic incident in #Orlando #Florida."


    Bahrain’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed its condolences in a statement on Monday.
    “The Ministry expresses its heartfelt condolences and sympathies to the families of the victims, and wishes a speedy recovery to the injured,” the statement read. “The Ministry of Foreign Affairs reiterates the solidarity of the Kingdom of Bahrain with the United States of America, renewing its rejection to all forms of extremism and terrorism, and calls on the international community for comprehensive and effective counterterrorism efforts to ensure the eradication of the dangerous threat of terrorism across the world.”



    “I condemn this dastardly act of terror in the strongest possible term and reiterate my government’s ‘zero tolerance’ policy against any form of terrorism and violent extremism,” Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina.

    "Our heartfelt condolences to the families of Orlando horrific terrorist attack victims. We stand united in this moment of grief," Egypt Ministry of Foreign Affairs Spokesperson Ahmed Abu Zeid.


    A representative from Kuwait’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned the shooting on Sunday, saying it posed “a grave harm to Islam, and [is] distant from its noble teachings.”
    Terrorism requires an effort by the international community to eliminate “this disgusting phenomenon and [rid] the world from its evil,” the representative added, confirming Kuwait’s rejection to all forms of terrorism.

    The Indonesian government has condemned the attack in Orlando. “We expressed our deep sympathy to the families of the victims, the government, and the people of the United States,” Arramanatha Nasir, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, tweeted on Monday.


    Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Spokesman Hossein Jaberi Ansari condemned the shooting on Monday. “The Islamic Republic of Iran, according to its own principled policy of condemning terrorism and its firm determination to deal with this scourge seriously and comprehensively, condemns the recent terrorist attack in Orlando in America,” Ansari said, according to Mehr News.


    Former President of the Maldives Mohamed Nasheed, the first democratically-elected leader of the island nation, called for a stand against inhumanity. Noting that his thoughts were with “all who lost a loved one,” Nasheed offered his condolences to the victims’ families, as well as his sadness.


    Numerous members of the Pakistani government responded to the attack, including Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who said that no one “should ever feel afraid of…being killed for who they are.”

    Sharif’s comments were joined by those of Pakistani Ambassador to the U.S. Jalil Jilani, who sent his prayers and condolences.

    Pakistani politicians also weighed in. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, of the PPP, spoke out against “fear, hatred, and bigotry.” Senator Sherry Rehman, also of the PPP, called for an end to the “fires of hatred and prejudice” and appealed to a shared sense of humanity across the world.


    Qatar’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemned the attacks in a statement on Monday.“Qatar reiterates its condemnation of all forms of violence and terrorism, whatever their motives and justifications, and emphasises the need for concerted international efforts to face criminal acts that target civilians everywhere in the world,” the statement read.

    Saudi Ambassador to the United States Abdullah-Al Saud condemned the attack and expressed his condolences in a statement on Monday.
    “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia condemns in the strongest terms the attack on innocent people in Orlando, Florida, and sends its deepest condolences to the families and friends of the victims and to the people of the United States,” the statement read. “We stand with the American people at this tragic time. We pray for the recovery and the healing of all those injured in the attack, and we will continue our work with the United States and our partners in the international community for an end to these senseless acts of violence and terror.”

    Deputy PM of Turkey Mehmet Simsek condemned the attack on Twitter.



    Former Interim President of Tunisia Marzouki Moncef took to Facebook to condemn the attack, and to express his horror at ongoing tragedies across the globe. Citing violent incidents like the horrifying attack on Tunisia’s Bardo Museum in March and recent airstrikes on Idlib, Syria, Marzouki called for the protection of innocents everywhere.


    UAE ambassador to Washington Yousef Al-Otaiba expressed his condolences in a statement posted on the embassy website. “On behalf of the leadership and people of the UAE, our deepest sympathies go out to the families and friends of the victims of yesterday’s heinous attack in Orlando,” the statement read. “We condemn the hate and fanaticism behind this unspeakable violence. We must all work together to promote tolerance and peace.”
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs also condemned the attacks in a statement on Monday.


    Sadiq Khan, the first Muslim mayor of London, condemned the attack. "I stand with the City of Orlando against hate and bigotry. My thoughts are with all the victims of this horrific attack #lovewins"

    “This hideous and cowardly attack on LGBT+ people in Orlando is an attack on our freedoms and values,” he told the Evening Standard. “We stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of Orlando.”
    Khan also mentioned the history of attacks on the LGBTQ community in London.

    In a statement posted on Facebook on Sunday, Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim member of Congress, condemned the violence, spoke of the need for meaningful gun reform, and drew attention to the history of hate crimes against the LGBT community.
    “No religion justifies such a senseless act of terror,” Ellison wrote. “All decent people must condemn this hateful act that claimed the lives of 50 people and injured 53 more. Sadly, Orlando has now joined Aurora, Charleston, Newtown, Oak Ridge, and many other communities rocked by gun violence.”
    “I am grieving with the LGBT community. The community has been a target for hate for decades, but has seen meaningful advances in the past few years,” he added. “This tragedy will not suppress the love and compassion that the LGBT community is centered on. Going forward, we must continue to stand against all hate crimes. No one deserves to be harmed because of their race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation.”
    Rep. Andre Carson (D-IN), the second Muslim elected to the U.S. Congress, also condemned the attack.

    “This is a heartless and brutal attack on the LGBT community and everyone who values freedom and equality,” he said in a statement on Monday. “We don’t know all the details but it is clear that this is an act of hate. While we struggle to come to terms with this tragedy, we must not and will not succumb to fear. This is the most lethal terrorist attack in America since 9-11 and we must redouble our efforts to fight terrorism in all forms.”
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    Cue the entirely predictable silence from Muslim community/religious leaders.
    It's only silent if you aren't listening.

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    This horror show was not about Islam - it was homophobic self-loathing and seething hatred with a confused, twisted and violent veneer of "faith" as justification.

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    combined with a half a cup of mental and a tablespoon of access to weaponry.

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    I have a question for y'all. Why do people on Facebook/Twitter etc feel it necessary to bring up other, extremely ancient, massacres (blacks, Native Americans, etc) - from 100+ years ago during this time? Is it a contest - "you think Orlando was bad, THIS was worse"? (I used to date a guy that did that to me - I ditched him after he told me that losing his horse was worse than my father dying - he'd died 3 days before). Can't we honor these people instead of comparing? I'm puzzled and annoyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brah View Post
    @Deutsche

    Only 3 shootings this year have been tied to radical Islam. Out of how many shootings? Yeah, Islam is not the problem. Radical Islam is A problem, but not THE problem within the US.



    (^from Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...est/?tid=sm_tw)
    Could not agree more. The problem is not religion, the true problem is the easy accessability to assault rifles. I don't believe anyone outside of police and military should own these. I see no real world scenario where it's necessary to own an assault rifle. "Protection" and "hunting" don't require assault style rifles. They need to be banned NOW. People can own hunting rifles and hand guns, I don't have a problem with those. It sickens me that people think that they "need" these guns to remain safe. We would be a lot safer with these guns out of the hands of ordinary citizens, obviously.
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    A lot of people are sharing this on Facebook.

    I stand behind you in line at the store with a smile on my face...and a gun under my shirt and you are none the wiser, yet you are safer for having me next to you. I wonít shoot you. My gun wonít pull itís own trigger. It is securely holstered with the trigger covered. It canít just go off. However, rest assured that if a lunatic walks into the grocery store and pulls out a rifle, I will draw my pistol and protect myself and my family and therefore protect you and your family. I may get shot before I can pull the trigger...but, I wonít die in a helpless blubbering heap on the floor begging for my life or my childís life. No, if I die it will be in a pile of spent shell casings. I wonít be that victim. I choose not to be. As for you, I donít ask you to carry a gun. If you are not comfortable, then please donít. But I would like to keep my right to choose to not be a helpless victim. There is evil in the world and if evil has a gun, I want one too... Copy and paste if you believe this too....
    You hear that? We should be thankful that these idiots with hero fantasies are walking around "protecting" us.
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    That's why when I travel I tell people I'm Canadian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Kat* View Post
    A lot of people are sharing this on Facebook.



    You hear that? We should be thankful that these idiots with hero fantasies are walking around "protecting" us.
    Ya, heroes like George Zimmerman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    That's why when I travel I tell people I'm Canadian.
    I tell people that too.

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    wtf, just keep blaming "terrorism" because there's nothing that can be done about that, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    That's why when I travel I tell people I'm Canadian.
    I can totally pass as Canadian. I even say "aboot". (Seriously, I somehow managed to escape growing up in the South unscathed by the accent, except for saying y'all a lot.)

    I'm not one to be all "the world is going to hell" since statistically speaking, it is the safest time to be alive than any time in the history of ever. That doesn't mean that it isn't awful when things like this happens - it might be MORE awful because we know better. And we feel like everyone else should know better, but there are still some holdouts who are either crazy, assholes, stupid or some combination thereof. You're not ever going to get rid of all the crazy/asshole/stupid, so the least we can do is keep implements of destruction out of their hands as much as possible. And if you don't fit into any of those categories, WTF do you need with an assault rifle for daily use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Kat* View Post

    You hear that? We should be thankful that these idiots with hero fantasies are walking around "protecting" us.
    Yeah, these fuckers all seem to think they are some heroic Liam Neesom type. They are wrong.

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    I tell people that too.
    We all know you are really from Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brah View Post
    @Deutsche

    Only 3 shootings this year have been tied to radical Islam. Out of how many shootings? Yeah, Islam is not the problem. Radical Islam is A problem, but not THE problem within the US.



    (^from Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...est/?tid=sm_tw)
    America is not the world. If I read Deutsche correctly, she was referring to muslim men against the West in general. And this is a constant regardless of access to guns or what have you. And ISIS has called for more killings during ramadan so yes, these killings are sanctioned and sanctified.

    I'm furious when I see all those "Pray for Orlando" or pray for anyone kind of posts. Praying is what brought us here. If you want to be a Muslim be as Muslim as you want, knock yourself out, as long as you don't bother anyone else. But not this. This is insane and you may give me a million other reasons, that they are poor, they are marginalised, the works, you have other groups who are just as poor and as marginalised and they don't blow themselves up. This religion is just toxic. I don't know what that makes me, maybe racist? I don't know. I am sure they are a minority within the muslim but they are a very deadly minority. If the Left continues to just infantilise them and justify them at every turn comparing their murders with "white" murders what are we really accomplishing? If we ignore women's rights and gay rights and rampant antisemitism because they conflict with our basic desire of not inciting more racism against immigrants and muslims, what are we accomplishing?

    I don't know, usually I can express myself fairly well but I can't find the words right now I'm so hurt and disillusioned with what is happening.
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    ^I can't imagine how frightening it is to be in Europe, amongst bombings and the Paris attacks and all, but within the US, I'm just saying that radical Islam has been made the decoy for people to get worked up about, while major problems are able to remain unchanged. I'm terrified of shootings---we have more mass shootings than there are days in a year. Every single day, there is 1+ shooting that kills more than 4 people. After a shooting, I am very afraid, and I know it's a shared feeling. I was in a library yesterday, and there was some man yelling to himself and getting angry, and i thought to myself, "what if he has a gun?" Because he has access. He has access to a semi-automativ weapon, if he has the money. My neighbor had 5+ guns within his home, some illegally modified. This is terrifying, and maybe one of them is semi-automatic? I don't know---but it's scary. This gun worship within the US and such easy access to weapons of murder, some that shoot 40+ rounds a minute, is scary. And yet Muslims are the issue, according to some people I've spoken to.

    A movie theater can mean death, a park, a store, even a preschool. And yet, the news is so very excited to say this is Radical Islam, at last, within the US. With the San Bernardino shootings, the news ran into their apartment as fast as they could, so excites for a glimpse into the enemy's den. I know the US is not the world, but we are being killed by guns left and right by our own citizens with guns, and I am sick of hearing from Trump and other politicians that its radical islam that is our biggest threat, when 4+ people are shot a day (in mass shootings alone, that doesn't even show the numbers of shootings with less than 4 victims). People are promoting a ban on Muslims into the US, when radical Islam has been the cause of 3 out of our 300+ shootings a year.

    Within the US, we're accomplishing nothing, to save lives. Nothing.
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