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    ^^ Speculation.

    None of that answers all the questions that are floating around that have been posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    She really loved that child. If her husband had done it,I promise she would have nailed his ass. Neither one of them had a thing to do with it. Twisted "fact" are not proof. That is why they were cleared. They are innocent. Totally. The cold case people are now trying to match that DNA sample with other persons already interviewed.
    You know what? I think she loved the child as well. I don't think Patsy killed JonBenet, and I don't think John killed her either. But they were involved in something horrifying and they do know exactly what happened to her. Please see my post directly above yours.

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    They did it IMO-and I bet good ole' Pats is burning in hell right now. I think she hit the kid's head in the john, pissed off at her soiling again.

    And that child was a THING to them, not a daughter. a product.

    *of course I was not actually there,,so this is opinion based on all things presented ...*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha View Post
    You know what? I think she loved the child as well. I don't think Patsy killed JonBenet, and I don't think John killed her either. But they were involved in something horrifying and they do know exactly what happened to her. Please see my post directly above yours.
    I already did. I ,too have read extensively about this case. I remember well that California day school case, wher all those peoples lives were ruined over nothing. They do not know-never did. The Polly Klass case would have looked grim for he parents,had there not been witnesses. I like John Philpin,profiler.
    From day one the umbrella had holes in it.
    Patsy Ramsey was capable of rage, the Boulder cops said. So am I. So are you, dear reader. Pissy sheets in the middle of the night when you have a trip planned for early morning -- just how far up the Richter scale of rage does that send you? Does it bring you to those dizzying heights where sanity and madness become indistinguishable, where you grab something convenient and bash your child in the head? Boulder’s finest thought so. Gaggles of grocery shoppers at supermarket checkouts scooping up tabloid titillations thought so.
    The stress of the holidays, of Christmas with its trees and lights and tinsil, parties to give and to attend, and whiney little kids to amuse -- that we don’t have a pandemic of yuletide filicide is astonishing. So a bleary-eyed mom, rudely awakened from the depths of sugarplum REM land, clobbers her kid with ... well ... whatever. Oh dear God we’ve got to cover this up, we hear her say, waking hubby who quickly fashions a garrotte from rope he does not have, to strangle his daughter while she is still alive and gasping for breath.
    "We’ll need a paint brush," he says, "and some of that tape that we don’t have. You write the ransom note."
    You know, most Americans believe that Saddam Hussein’s fingerprints were all over the World Trade Center. One must wonder if this is the same focus group that bought the package on Patsy.
    Before we totally trash the Boulder PD theory of the crime, we must lay a foundation. Parents, other family members, and close friends or acquaintances of the family account for ninety percent of the homicides of young children. Investigations of these murders typically begin at center with the parents and move outward in concentric circles examining the other likely offenders. Add to these overwhelming statistics the facts that until JonBenet’s body was found, police thought they were confronted with an abduction for ransom. So it makes sense to run with the numbers, right?
    Wrong.
    As radical a notion as it may seem, evidence is a damn fine place to begin a homicide investigation. Clear the crime scene and seal it. Escort the parents to separate interrogation rooms downtown, and while two of the city’s finest fire questions at them, dispatch your specialists to 15th Street. Videotape and photograph the place. Dust it for prints. Collect, bag, and label anything and everything that even remotely might connect to the choreography of murder. Keep the house sealed and assign a 24-hour guard. As the evidence is processed and analyzed (the body too is evidence), there will be a steady stream of information. The investigation is under control and may proceed.
    If statistics dictate the operational theory of the crime, then evidence is viewed as solid (i.e., supporting the theory), or weak (i.e., detracting from the theory). Instead of an embracing of all the evidence as-is, what evolves is a descent into selective attention to a few details buttressed by such dubious anecdotal data as: failure to comfort the spouse sufficiently; inappropriate grieving; what the eyes reveal. If the Ramseys had been into "Silly String" they, like Darlie Routier, might just be sitting on death row.
    In high school, my instructor in Problems of American Democracy told me it is never enough to tear something down. A responsible person will be constructive and offer an alternative. I disagreed with my teacher, pointing out that the people who raze the farm are not the same people who pave it for a parking lot (which, as you know, is what we call progress). Presumably both sets of workers are responsible and attentive to their work. Also, one must factor in the pleasure principle: it is fun to shred faulty thinking. It is quite something else to solve a murder. Besides, the City of Boulder has folks on the payroll whose job it is to solve murders.


    In the interests of amusement, that prime mover of pop culture and media attention to criminal atrocities, I must leave you, dear reader, with at least a teaser. Of course an intruder murdered JonBenet Ramsey. The evidence is there to illustrate his entrance to the home, much of what he did inside, and his eventual exit. This was a savage predatory crime committed against a child by a male whose life is fueled by fixation and fantasy. Forget the handwriting. Read the ransom note for content. It is a guide to how his head works.
    John Philpin is the author of "Stalemate," one of the most unusual true-crime books in years. Most authors interview suspects in prison. Philpin conducted his suspect interviews for "Stalemate" in motel rooms, at crime scenes, and in cemeteries. His profiling work is featured in Philip Ginsburg’s "Shadow of Death."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha View Post
    No, there was no blood at the scene at all. If you'll go back up a few posts and click the link "Dr. Cyril Wecht" who is a well known forensic examiner, you will see that the head wound produced almost no blood-about a teaspoon.

    Link to crime scene photos <<This page does not contain anything gross, but scroll down and you can see the actual spot where poor little JonBenet was found. There is no blood.

    I can find no evidence that a search warrant was ever issued for the White home.

    Thanks for the link. So.... She was murdered at the christmas party, taken home while dead, or near dead, taken to the celler, then clobbered over the head? maybe she started to come to, and patsy or John or both decided to hit her over the head so she would die, so she wouldn't live to tell what happened to her that night? OMG... I feel sick just typing that out. I'm just trying to figure out what happened here, while not knowing all the facts, so forgive me if what I'm getting out of this is completely non-sensical.

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    Patsy did not have to 'intentionally bash her head in'-it could have easily just been 'rough handling' in the bathroom, a slip, and then a head hit on a toilet tank, etc. Easy to have happen. And then a cover up.

    Or the whole sordid nasty sex ring story.

    **however those 'sex ring stories' have also been blown up out of virtually nothing and have done just the opposite, ruining many innocent lives and wrecking innocent communities by engaging them in warrentless witchhunts. See Wenatchee, Washington as an example
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    Here is John Douglas (who was called in 2 weeks after the murder to help) Fomer FBI,etc:
    So who do I think did it? A year ago, when John Mark Karr first confessed to the crime, I was intrigued, to say the least. But it didn’t take long before I – and the rest of the world – realized that Karr was nothing more than a pathetic publicity-hungry child molester. Today, the one thing I do know is that John and Patsy (who died June 24, 2006) Ramsey are innocent. Few people may still not want to hear that, including a number of local and federal law enforcement investigators. One of parent’s greatest fears is to lose a child in a senseless crime. An even greater tragedy is to be falsely accused of murdering your child. Unfortunately, and sadly, this is what happened to the Ramsey family.
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    It is my belief that these 2 learned investigators-especially John Douglas-have far superior credentials for making such a call.
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    It just sucks that there is no way to tell for sure. We DO know for sure though, that at the very least Patsy was a manatyy. (child pageant horror mom-she had her kid looking like a 23 year old WHORE!)

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    and your husband is on the down-low

    don't worry-live it up through your kid-
    She can still get 'best of show'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    Here is John Douglas (who was called in 2 weeks after the murder to help) Fomer FBI,etc:
    So who do I think did it? A year ago, when John Mark Karr first confessed to the crime, I was intrigued, to say the least. But it didn’t take long before I – and the rest of the world – realized that Karr was nothing more than a pathetic publicity-hungry child molester. Today, the one thing I do know is that John and Patsy (who died June 24, 2006) Ramsey are innocent. Few people may still not want to hear that, including a number of local and federal law enforcement investigators. One of parent’s greatest fears is to lose a child in a senseless crime. An even greater tragedy is to be falsely accused of murdering your child. Unfortunately, and sadly, this is what happened to the Ramsey family.
    John Douglas
    Former FBI agent and pioneer serial killer profiler
    Author of Inside the Mind of BTK
    www.johndouglasmindhunter.com

    It is my belief that these 2 learned investigators-especially John Douglas-have far superior credentials for making such a call.

    Or maybe they are also members of the Satanic child sex cult?

    My my, didn't we all just dip our tongues in some acid today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackho View Post
    Or maybe they are also members of the Satanic child sex cult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita View Post
    Patsy did not have to 'intentionally bash her head in'-it could have easily just been 'rough handling' in the bathroom, a slip, and then a head hit on a toilet tank, etc. Easy to have happen. And then a cover up.
    But from the forensic evidence, that only a teaspoon of blood was produced from such a massive headwound that crushed her skull like an eggshell--I saw those pictures--she must have been dead already by the time the blow to the head was delivered. I think the headwound was a misdirection to cover up or confuse, and that gives you an insight to how sick and twisted this whole thing was.

    Plus, there was the chronic vaginal bruising and soiling that are clear indications of sexual abuse. You cannot get around that. And all those doctors visits?? The parents had to have known at the very least. At worst, they purposely offered her up for sexual abuse or John Ramsey abused her himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beeyotch View Post
    But from the forensic evidence, that only a teaspoon of blood was produced from such a massive headwound that crushed her skull like an eggshell--I saw those pictures--she must have been dead already by the time the blow to the head was delivered. I think the headwound was a misdirection to cover up or confuse, and that gives you an insight to how sick and twisted this whole thing was.

    Plus, there was the chronic vaginal bruising and soiling that are clear indications of sexual abuse. You cannot get around that. And all those doctors visits?? The parents had to have known at the very least. At worst, they purposely offered her up for sexual abuse or John Ramsey abused her himself.
    There's pictures?

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    Oh yes. Autopsy pictures for the case, found them via one of the links in the last couple pages. Graphic, but thankfully don't show her eyes. I can't handle looking at dead eyes.

    Anyhow, one pic shows the skull by itself (without skin) and it literally does look like a cracked eggshell. Gruesome.

    The other thing that stood out on those autopsy pics were a bunch of unexplained marks, some round, some oddly shaped. Just a whole bunch of sad, horrible wtf-ness going on.

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