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    Quote Originally Posted by Sojiita View Post
    I wonder in which circle of hell Patsy currently burns?
    8th?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suede View Post
    8th?
    No, No, No, No! Don't you know Patsy was a deeply religious born again Evangelical Christian with a capital C! She's been saved! Right up there conducting pagents for the entertainment of the Big JC in Heaven.

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    If they didn't kill her, I believe they know who did. Bed wetting is a pain in the rear, especially for a person that demanded perfection like Patsy. Beauty queens can't tee tee on their ruffle panties, you know.

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    ^Aha, and Jonbenet had to wear big ugly pull ups that added unnecessary bulk to her clothes.

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    hard to sparkle in a diaper, plus then the swimsuit competition is totally out. Might as well turn in your fake tanner and flipper at that point.
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    Dammit, there are certain unsolved cases that I periodically get obsessed with, and because of this thread, I'm about to get into this one again.

    I have been on either side of the fence (regarding the Ramsey's guilt or innocence) so many times. I would get convinced one way, then read the other side's point of view & become convinced of that. At one point, I'm pretty sure that I had read everything there was available for public consumption regarding this case, and one thing that I just could not feel comfortable having explained away was the handwriting of the ransom note. It was disappointing, because at the time, I was on the innocent side of the fence. Saw the handwriting compared to Patsy's, and I will never feel 100% confident of her innocence again. John's, maybe. Not Patsy.

    Analysis of the Linguistics and Handwriting in the Ramsey Ransom Note - Forums For Justice
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    ^^ I know what you mean. I hate to think they killed their own child (or at least knew what happened), but there's just too much that doesn't add up.

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    Boy, the handwriting is so spot on. And even the use of exclamation marks; they were alot of those in the note, and Patsy used them alot in her holiday letters and things. I'm sorry but I have no doubt in my mind that Patsy wrote that note. They even found practice notes in the house; I really doubt an intruder would bother with that.

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    The experts were split on the author of the ransom note, but more thought Patsy did write it than didn't. The semi-official BPD line was "Patsy can't be ruled out as the author of the note".

    One of the experts Don Foster, who said Patsy did write the note, is an interesting case.

    Drama and the Ramsey murder ransom note.

    More drama over the note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobelia View Post
    Dammit, there are certain unsolved cases that I periodically get obsessed with, and because of this thread, I'm about to get into this one again.

    I have been on either side of the fence (regarding the Ramsey's guilt or innocence) so many times. I would get convinced one way, then read the other side's point of view & become convinced of that. At one point, I'm pretty sure that I had read everything there was available for public consumption regarding this case, and one thing that I just could not feel comfortable having explained away was the handwriting of the ransom note. It was disappointing, because at the time, I was on the innocent side of the fence. Saw the handwriting compared to Patsy's, and I will never feel 100% confident of her innocence again. John's, maybe. Not Patsy.

    Analysis of the Linguistics and Handwriting in the Ramsey Ransom Note - Forums For Justice
    Hmmm...just the indentations at the beginning of the paragraphs, salutations and signature line seem to point to her writing. Interesting. I've never seen those. Thanks for sharing.
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    Okay, I just finished that whole Nancy Krebs interview. That is some completely messed up stuff she was talking about. I can't tell if she's just been so badly beaten down her entire life or if she's partly crazy. I think it's the former. Poor lady sounds like she had a completely horrific childhood/teenage years. She can't even think straight half the time.

    But, from what she described near the bottom of the transcript it sounds like that could have happened to JonBenet as well, ie. the strangulation while being molested.

    I don't understand how the women in these families allow such terrible things to happen to their daughters. You would think they would do anything to protect them. My only guess is that along with being a molester the husbands were also massively abusive and would threaten anything to have their wife cooperate. It's really disgusting.

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    truly disgusting

    patsy got what she deserved in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolem View Post
    Okay, I just finished that whole Nancy Krebs interview. That is some completely messed up stuff she was talking about. I can't tell if she's just been so badly beaten down her entire life or if she's partly crazy. I think it's the former. Poor lady sounds like she had a completely horrific childhood/teenage years. She can't even think straight half the time.

    But, from what she described near the bottom of the transcript it sounds like that could have happened to JonBenet as well, ie. the strangulation while being molested.

    I don't understand how the women in these families allow such terrible things to happen to their daughters. You would think they would do anything to protect them. My only guess is that along with being a molester the husbands were also massively abusive and would threaten anything to have their wife cooperate. It's really disgusting.
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    You know what? I have some sympathy for Patsy as well. She was caught up in something that was well beyond her control.

    The child sex cults/pedophile rings are male dominated. I say "cult" only in the sense that cult-like techniques are used to control their victims, not in the "religious" sense of the word, at least not in the Ramsey case. Patsy's mother Nedra Paugh once made the comment that JonBenet was "only abused a little bit" referring to the evidence of sexual assualt in her autopsy. What! This tells me that the attitudes of that family toward molestation were very strange indeed. If you read the material on the multi-generational child sex cults you come to understand that the males only marry female victims, so they are free to continue to victimize without having to "inculcate" an adult woman into these "activities". (emphasis added)

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    Ritual Abuse (includes Organised Satanic Abuse): Ritual abuse usually involves repeated abuse over an extended period of time. The physical abuse is severe, sometimes including killing and torture. The sexual abuse is usually painful, sadistic, and humiliating, and intended as a means of gaining dominance over the victim. The psychological abuse is devastating and involves the use of ritual indoctrination. It includes mind control techniques, which convey to the victim a profound terror of the cult members and of the evil spirits they believe cult members can command. Both during and after the abuse, most victims are in a state of terror, mind control and dissociation. This definition is found in the 1989 report by the Ritual Abuse Task Force of Los Angeles County Commission for Women.
    Satanic cults, in which members worship Satan, are only one of the types of cults that torture and abuse children. Note: Perpetrators are both male and female.
    There are other cults, which commit similar crimes, whose practices are not connected to Satanism. These are organised perpetrator groups and paedophile rings etc.
    Many therapists, law enforcement, judges, and lawyers including some of the general public prefer to believe that these survivors are suffering from hallucinations.
    Many survivors are born and raised by parents who are in cults (multi-generational).
    Many survivors cope with the severity of the trauma by developing Dissociative Identity Disorder (D.I.D.) formerly know as Multiple Personality. Note: This does not apply in every case.
    Cult abuse does occur outside the family in school or pre-school settings, including the recruitment of street kids etc.
    Cult abuse survivors have to deal with brainwashing, severe intimidation, isolation, extreme humiliation, starvation, forced drug experiences, extreme torture, child pornography, prostitution, and being forced to witness or participate in ritual murder. (Keep this bolded part in mind as I intend to get back to you on another aspect of the case which could throw a whole new light on why JBR was killed-Sasha)
    Many who escape the cult (many do not) have to deal with hypnotic suggestions which tell them to commit suicide, go crazy, or return to the cult.
    Mind Control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse. The methods above are used to silence survivors by creating amnesia surrounding the events, places, dates and names of perpetrators, in order to protect the cult. These brainwashing techniques are also known as programming.
    The level of terror that cult survivors experience is usually greater than that of other abuse survivors. This is the deepest level of abuse of the mind, body and soul. Cult experiences are horrifying and can seem unbelievable. Believing the abuse happened is crucial, as disclosure is extremely difficult for cult survivors.
    The women in these cults are most likely victims themselves and are groomed from childhood to obey. However, I don't see that as much of an excuse, knowing the fierce protective instincts of mothers. If a mother has come so far as to allow such things to happen to her child, she has truly become a monster.

    The bolded part I promised to revisit concerned Nancy's little niece. Remember the parts of the transcripts describing what happened with her? She was five years old at the time of the murder and was according to Nancy present at the White's Christmas party along with her grandmother, Nancy's mother Gwen. A couple of years later, a picture of Barbie sent the little girl off into hysterics where she was screaming over and over "they killed the little girl". This is the main reason Nancy came forward, out of mortal fear for her niece. Curiously, the little girl was taken to Germany by her mother not too long after Nancy came forward to the police. The little niece has to this day never been allowed to speak with investigators. As far as I know, the police never checked to see if Gwen traveled to Colorado around Christmas that year. Also curiously, Nancy's sister and niece lived in nearby Arvada, Colorado at the time.

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    I'm lazy-- can someone link me to information about fibers from Patsy's clothes on the garrote and fibers from John's in the underwear? Because that would absolutely be probable cause to arrest right there. UNLESS the fibers were only "consistent with" J & P's clothes because said fibers are so common, for instance. Fiber evidence can actually be quite weak and unreliable. But I'd like to see more about that.

    Also, I just inherently have a hard time believing any child abuse ring/ritual/cult-type stuff. It would be way too easy for one person to talk and for it all to be exposed. Plus all the hysteria and witch-hunting over it in the past that's proven to be unfounded.

    BUT I just don't know what to believe anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
    I'm lazy-- can someone link me to information about fibers from Patsy's clothes on the garrote and fibers from John's in her underwear? Because that would absolutely be probable cause to arrest right there. UNLESS the fibers were only "consistent with" J & P's clothes because said fibers are so common, for instance. Fiber evidence can actually be quite weak and unreliable. But I'd like to see more about that.

    Also, I just inherently have a hard time believing any child abuse ring/ritual/cult-type stuff. It would be way too easy for someone to talk and for it all to be exposed.

    BUT I just don't know what to believe anymore.
    John's sweater was made from a rare Israeli wool and fibers from it were found in the crotch of JBR's underwear.

    Yes it is hard to believe in those sex rings, but they do exist, and no, people do not talk about them. Why would they? The consequences would be enormous, both from law enforcement and from fellow cult members. I do not know to this day what has become of Nancy Krebs. And that is another thing-law enforcement often does not believe these claims, so there is no upside to reporting these activities.

    Here are some links to information on verified pedo rings: (The first is not a "ring" as far as I know, but it concerns an establishment type who got away with horrific abuse for many, many years just because of who he was. THAT is what shields these people in many cases. They are not scraggly, low class clowns-they are people in positions of authority and respect. Just like the Ramsey's)

    Warning: Very Disturbing

    The Establishment Pedophile: How a monster hid in high society

    Global Pedophile Ring Busted

    Celebs named in Portugal sex probe, Yearlong Probe at State Children's Home ends with ten charged

    And the most comprehensive report on elite pedophiles I have yet come across:

    Warning: Very distrubing:

    The Pedophocracy <<please scroll down to the bottom of this article for links to parts 2-6 of this series.
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