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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellatheball View Post
    I think that photo is down now. I assume is of a man laying half off of the curb? I saw that one earlier today and lost further faith in humanity that anyone would have published it. I get that we want instant news and shocking photos. That just seems to encroach on human decency though. The media further prove how vile they are willing to behave.
    The graphic pictures I saw were all on 'in focus', Atlantic's phenomenal photojournalism blog. I'm with a*o, I think people need to be confronted with the reality of what is going on, even if it's sometimes unbearable. Like when there was a ban on publishing pictures of dead american soldiers' coffins, and no one wanted to show the realities of the wars the US was fighting overseas, lots of people defended that saying it was disrespectful. I disagree. Yes there is always the risk of voyeurism and sick websites that post this sort of stuff for exploitation but for the most part, I think despite our overexposure to media and information, what we see is actually very censored and controlled and people never see the full reality of what is going on, hence the importance of uncensored photojournalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlot-N-Bali View Post
    I wonder if the young woman in the blue shirt is the one who didn't survive.

    This is such a horrible, senseless tragedy. I can't wrap my mind around why anyone would want to hurt innocent people like this.
    I saw another photo of those two women where they both appeared to be alive and partially sitting up/holding onto each other. But the woman in the blue shirt definitely looks dead in that photo. So I'm not sure.

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    My feeling is that if they must endure it we can bear witness and fully understand the horrible suffering. To hear that man's legs were blown off is one thing,to view the full on horror is to face the reality. He cannot avoid this reality and I don't need it sugar coated. That jolt of reality was far worse than I could have imagined. I hope he lives,he was in deep shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    I also wonder about the woman in the blue shirt.
    Graphic photos coming:

    I think it's very possible she died right away.. There's another photo of her where it looks like she has lost both of her legs from very high up:
    http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/...c5&ec_rate=200

    Her lips look very syanotic in the pic posted before, and in that photo, if you look it in bigger size, her eyes are open but you can only see the balls of her whites.

    Anyway, if she didn't die right away, then this could be her. Notice the blue shirt that's been torn away to expose her chest better, it's still hanging on her left arm:
    http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap...7067008cf9.jpg

    Edit: I think the girl in the strecher is her. There's another photo of her where you can see that she has blue/green allstar shoes. I think it's more than likely of her: http://nydeuces.files.wordpress.com/...e0ad4e5a6d.jpg

    (sorry, I just wanted to find out if there was even some hope for her :/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    I am thankful it was not worse and that so many reached out to help others. As a child I remember watching the news and being shocked that people were bombing each other on the streets in Ireland and England over religion. I was comforted that horrendous acts like that would not happen here. Now I have become desensitized. I was not shocked by the events at the marathon. I feel for the victims but I am angry at all the inappropriate reporting that further added to the drama. I am thankful for social media that got word out quickly, allowed family members to connect and may have recorded evidence that will lead to the arrest and conviction of the addhole(s) who did this. I am saddened by the tweets and FaceBook posts of people trying to get attention for themselves even though they were not near the explosion at all. I am just feeling a whole mixed bag of emotions over this one.
    I was thinking about this yesterday. I remember being a kid and hearing about the bombings in Ireland and I couldn't understand how something like this was happening. I also remember feeling like I was so safe here and that nothing like this could ever happen here. My uncle had to go to Ireland for business and I was so scared that something bad was going to happen to him. I obviously didn't have a full understanding of what was happening there. I think I'm also like you in the way that I wasn't shocked. I guess after 9/11, nothing really shocks me anymore. Even if I can't understand it or believe that it happened, it doesn't "shock" me, if that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by levitt View Post
    Columbine was meant to be on the 19th, which was a Monday, to coincide with the anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing (not the 20th, Hitler's birthday, like some people say). The only reason it was pushed back a day is because they didn't get ammo in time.

    Those pictures are breaking my heart.
    The pictures are breaking my heart and making me so sad. Angry, too. I can't even explain how I feel when I see those pictures. These poor people were/are just ordinary citizens, trying to enjoy a day. It boils my blood.

    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    The graphic pictures I saw were all on 'in focus', Atlantic's phenomenal photojournalism blog. I'm with a*o, I think people need to be confronted with the reality of what is going on, even if it's sometimes unbearable. Like when there was a ban on publishing pictures of dead american soldiers' coffins, and no one wanted to show the realities of the wars the US was fighting overseas, lots of people defended that saying it was disrespectful. I disagree. Yes there is always the risk of voyeurism and sick websites that post this sort of stuff for exploitation but for the most part, I think despite our overexposure to media and information, what we see is actually very censored and controlled and people never see the full reality of what is going on, hence the importance of uncensored photojournalism.
    As much as I hate seeing those pictures, and realizing you can't really "un-see" them, I somehow think we need to. We need to really understand this.
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    I always feel that seeing the photos helps me feel compassion more than just reading 'lost limbs', it doesn't get anywhere close to really demonstrating what these people have gone through. I want to really feel the tragedy, learn as much about it as possible, so I can at least feel that I am of some use and can help these people, or just be aware of the terror and the pain that these people are feeling right now. By fully realising it, it's like I am feeling it along with them. I'm always very sensitive to these things though, I know some people prefer not to see the images and that's fine too, but I think they are very important in constructing the narrative of this disgusting act and the realities of what this sort of terrorism (because it's 'terrorism' regardless of the nationality of the perpetrator(s)) does to people. I'm not making much sense really, but I'm a bit speechless. Sure you guys know what I'm trying to say.
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    I just got an alert on my phone that says the "bombs" were 6 quart pressure cookers in duffle bags.
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    ^I got the same alert.
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    So, a potluck gone horribly wrong?

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    I've always been scared of pressure cookers. i have my grandmother's, but I've only used it once or twice in the last 18 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitchy2.0 View Post
    So, a potluck gone horribly wrong?
    Yes, if you're serving big (6 Litre, not quarts) containers of metal and ball bearings.
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    (CNN) — [Breaking News Update 12:17 p.m.] One of the bombs at the Boston Marathon appears to have been placed inside a metal pressure cooker hidden inside a backpack, a federal law enforcement said Tuesday.
    [Previous story posted 12:16 p.m.]
    FBI to ‘go to the ends of the Earth’ in Boston bombing probe
    Investigators are scouring the most complex crime in Boston’s history, piecing through massive amounts of video, processing tips around the clock and examining items collected from an apartment.
    But so far, no suspects or motive have been determined in the probe of Monday’s twin bombings at the Boston Marathon.
    The blasts turned a crowded celebration into a mess of devastation, leaving three people killed and more than 170 wounded.
    “We will go to the ends of the Earth to identify the subject or subjects who are responsible for this despicable crime — and we will do everything we can to bring them to justice,” said Richard DesLauriers, the special agent in charge of the FBI’s Boston Division.
    “Our mission is clear: to bring to justice those responsible… The American public wants answers. The citizens of the city of Boston and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts want and deserve answers.”
    Apartment searched
    Authorities including bomb experts searched an apartment in nearby Revere, Massachusetts, and removed items. But officials cautioned that the search did not suggest that there was a suspect.
    The search was connected to a young Saudi citizen who is visiting on a student visa and has been questioned, a law enforcement official said, adding that consent was given and no warrant was needed. So far, the official told CNN, he has not heard of anything being found connecting the person to the bombings.
    Three young Saudi men, all on student visas, live in the apartment, CNN affiliate WHDH reported. One of them, Mohammed Bada, told the station that when police arrived at the apartment, they told him that his roommate had been injured in the blasts.
    Asked whether his friend was involved in the bombing, Bada told WHDH that he did not know, but that he does not think so. “They are good people,” Bada said.
    The experience of having police come to the apartment was “scary,” he said.
    The Revere Fire Department said on its Facebook page that the FBI; the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; immigration officials, state and local police, detectives and bomb techs all took part in the search at the apartment, which lasted from early evening Monday until the early hours of Tuesday.
    Investigators told police Monday to be on the lookout for a “darker-skinned or black male” with a possible foreign accent in connection with the marathon bombs, according to a law enforcement advisory obtained by CNN. The man was seen with a black backpack and sweatshirt and was trying to get into a restricted area about five minutes before the first explosion, the lookout notice states.
    A Saudi woman, a medical student who was also injured in the blast, has also been interviewed by investigators, according to a law enforcement source.
    Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said many people were being questioned.
    No unexploded bombs
    Officials Tuesday announced a twist in the probe: Suspicious packages that were detonated out of precaution were not explosive devices after all.
    After the blasts Monday, some officials reported that explosive devices that failed to go off were found.
    But investigators said Tuesday the only bombs were the two that exploded at the marathon.
    They were small, and initial tests showed no C-4 or other high-grade explosive material, suggesting the packages used in the attack were crude devices, a federal law enforcement official in the intelligence community said.
    Based on the bombs’ effects, the devices could have been small enough to be concealed in small bags or boxes, a law enforcement official said. The smoke was consistent with a “low-velocity improvised explosive mixture, perhaps flash powder or sugar chlorate mixture,” the official said.
    Doctors believe bombs contained sharp objects
    Two doctors overseeing treatment of the injured believe the explosive devices contained nails or similar objects.
    Many patients have severe wounds “related to the blast effect of the bomb as well as small metallic fragments that entered their bod,” including “pellets” and “nail-like objects,” said Dr. George Velmahos, head of trauma care at Massachusetts General Hospital.
    A variety of sharp objects were found inside the patients bodies, he said, adding that the bombs probably contained multipe metallic fragments.
    Asked whether what was found in the patients’ bodies could have come from nearby objects that exploded in the blast, Velmahos said he believes the materials were likely part of the explosive devices.
    Ron Walls, chair of emergency medicine at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, said most patients there were wounded by “ordinary debris.” But three were injured by “perfectly round objects” that were “very uniform, consistent, metallic,” he said. And another patient had more than 12 carpenter-type nails.
    “There is no question some of these objects were implanted in the device for the purpose of being exploded forward,” Wall said.
    Authorities have not said what the bombs may have been made of.
    Smallest shreds could yield big clues
    Tiny clues at the crime scene may provide those answers. Investigators are carrying out the painstaking process of analyzing fragments for anything that could indicate the bombs’ “signature,” said a federal law enforcement official who works in the intelligence community.
    The crime scene has been reduced from 15 blocks to 12 and will be narrowed as the investigation proceeds, Davis said Tuesday. He called it “the most complex crime scene that we’ve dealt with in the history of our department.”
    The scene of the crowded celebration Monday at Boston’s busy Copley Square provides police with countless potential clues.
    Authorities also plan to search through videos from surveillance cameras near the attack. So far, no footage has been spotted showing someone placing the bombs, a law enforcement source said.
    The large number of photos and videos from the marathon will keep numerous investigators busy.
    Davis vowed authorities will sift “through every frame of every video.”
    Authorities have asked anyone with images from any part of the marathon to share them with police.
    “People don’t know that they were witnesses — that they might actually have evidence in their phones or in their cameras,” Juliette Kayyem, President Obama’s former assistant secretary for homeland security, said on CNN’s “Starting Point.”
    The FBI is likely issuing subpoenas for records from cell towers in the area to isolate and trace calls from around Copley Square at the time of the blasts, according to a federal law enforcement official.
    Nothing ruled out
    The intelligence community is poring through all threat reporting for any clues, U.S. counterterrorism officials told CNN.
    That includes any claims made on jihadist websites.
    Nothing is being dismissed this early on, the officials said.
    It isn’t clear Monday whether the origin of the bombings was domestic or foreign.
    Keating called the bombings a “sophisticated, coordinated, planned attack.”
    A law enforcement official in Boston said investigators “have a number of active leads and some good early progress in the forensics analysis.”
    There were no credible threats ahead of the race, a state government official said.
    The FBI is taking the lead in investigating the attack near the marathon’s finish line.
    “This will be a combined federal, state and local effort,” DesLauriers said.
    Describing it a “criminal investigation” that is also “a potential terrorist investigation,” DesLauriers said the FBI was declaring federal jurisdiction over the matter through the Boston Joint Terrorism Task Force.
    Quick action helped preserve crime scene
    Boston officials who worked quickly Monday to clear the crime scene and divert thousands of runners half a mile away should get an award, said Kayyem, who also served as homeland security adviser to Gov. Patrick.
    The move minimized chaos and “preserved the crime scene, which is going to be key for the FBI investigation. Those are lessons learned out of 9/11.”
    Open events are hard to secure, Kayyem said. “People say, ‘Oh, how could this happen again?…’ The better way to look at it, I think, is: Did we respond better? I think the answer is yes.”
    “The situation remains fluid, and it remains too early to establish the cause and motivation,” the FBI’s Boston Division said in a statement asking people to call in with any information, images or details related to the explosions.
    “No piece of information or detail is too small,” it said.

    CNN’s Jethro Mullen and staff in Boston, New York John King, Matt Smith, Steve Almasy, and Monte Plott contributed to this report.



    Read more: Source: Pressure cooker, backpack apparently used in Boston bombing | Fox 59 News – fox59.com
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    “We will go to the ends of the Earth to identify the subject or subjects who are responsible for this despicable crime.
    Start with Boston.
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    From Foreign Policy:



    On the Boston Marathon attacks
    Posted By Stephen M. Walt Tuesday, April 16, 2013 - 10:38 AM Share


    I do not know what I would say to any of the victims of yesterday's attack at the Boston Marathon -- to the families of the three people who have died or to those whose lives have been irrevocably altered by the blast. For them, this is simply a tragic moment of ill-fortune, to have been in the wrong place when some evildoer planted a senseless bomb.


    For the rest of us, however, there are already lessons to be drawn. For me, the most important thing to remember is that such events, however vivid, shocking, and tragic, do not in fact pose a mortal threat to our society and our freedoms, unless we let them. For as horrible as yesterday's events were, Americans are not in fact at greater risk than they were before. There have been numerous bombings and other forms of mass violence on American soil in the past, and there will be in the future. Yet the odds that any American will in fact be affected by terrorist violence of any sort remains astronomically small. And so long as future incidents do not involve weapons of mass destruction -- and especially nuclear weapons -- then their impact will be limited to a few unlucky individuals who tragically happen to caught in terrorism's web through no fault of their own.


    Thus far, the response to this outrage has been encouraging. For the most part, people have refrained from ill-informed speculation about responsibility. Boston and Massachusetts officials responded intelligently, swiftly, and calmly to yesterday's events, and ordinary citizens at the scene reacted in ways that makes one proud of our common humanity. If the perpetrators were seeking to sow confusion and panic or trigger some sort of massive over-reaction, they failed. I am confident we will eventually find out who did this and that they will eventually be brought to justice.


    There are now over 7 billion human beings on this planet, and roughly 313 million citizens here in America. It is inevitable that a tiny handful of these individuals will be driven by their own beliefs or demons to commit deliberate acts of violence against innocent people. And there is no reasonable way to prevent a few of those individuals from getting their hands on the materials needed to make a bomb. It has happened in Northern Ireland, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Istanbul, in Bali, at abortion clinics here in the United States. It has happened in the Moscow subway, in Madrid, and in Oklahoma City. Sometimes a political group is responsible; sometimes it is just an angry and warped individual. It happened yesterday, as well as throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.


    We should by all means adopt prudent security procedures -- as Massachusetts officials did before yesterday's race -- and revise and update those procedures in light of experience. And when we do know what motivated this particular attack, we should consider if there was anything that we might have done to prevent the perpetrators from embarking on their evil course. We should be brave and honest enough to ask if this was some sort of warped response to something we had done and consider whether what we had done was appropriate or not. To ask that question in no way justifies the slaughter of innocents, but understanding a criminal's motivations might be part of making such events less likely in the future.


    But we are never going to return to some sort of peaceful Arcadia where America -- or the rest of the world -- is totally immune from senseless acts of violence like this one. There is no perfect defense and there never will be. And so our larger task is to build a resilient society that comes together when these tragedies occur, understands that the ultimate danger is limited, and that refuses to bend in the face of a sudden, shocking, and cowardly attack.
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