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    ^ Yep, the only emotion that bitch ever showed at all was when she knew she was done.
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    Since everyone is still preaching the "Heart shaped sticker on duct tape" sermon, I thought I'd write it out so there is no more confusion:

    Evidence Discovery Document 3798

    FBI LAB
    QUANTICO, VA

    TO: TAMPA ORLANDO RA-SA NICKOLAS B. SAVAGE

    DATE: DECEMBER 22, 2008

    REFERENCE: COMMUNICATION DATED DECEMBER 12, 2008

    DATE SPECIMEN RECEIVED: DECEMBER 13, 2008

    THE FOLLOWING ITEMS WERE RECEIVED IN THE QUESTIONED DOCUMENTS UNIT ON DECEMBER 22, 2008:

    ITEMS FROM MEDICAL EXAMINERS OFFICE:

    Q62-Q64 DUCT TAPE

    THIS REPORT CONTAINS THE RESULTS OF THE QUESTIONED DOCUMENT EXAMINATIONS.

    RESULTS OF EXAMINATION:

    THE Q62 THRU Q64 PIECES OF TAPE WERE EXAMINED FOR THE PRESENCE OF ANY STICKERS.

    NO STICKERS OR STICKER FRAGMENT WERE OBSERVED ON THESE ITEMS.


    REMARKS:

    THE SUBMITTED SPECIMENS WILL BE RETURNED UNDER SEPARATE COVER. DIGITAL IMAGES OF Q62-Q64 ARE RETAINED.

    LORIE L. GOTTESMAN-FBI EXAMINER
    QUESTIONED DOCUMENTS UNIT

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    ^^From what I heard when they released the photo of the duct tape w/ the sticker on it, was that the sticker was not on the duct tape at the time they found it. The residue from the sticker was on that spot on the tape, so they "recreated" where it was, so to speak, for the pictures.

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    NO STICKERS OR STICKER FRAGMENT WERE OBSERVED ON THESE ITEMS.

    If there was adhesive on the duct tape they would have said so in the report.

    Why they would "recreate" something that was never there to begin with is a real head-scratcher. Even if adhesive HAD been there it is NOT kosher to stage an evidence photo in that manner.

    Sheriff's Office Crime Scene Reports

    Discovery Evidence Doc #3500 (Page #37 of the PDF file)

    Item Description

    #10-Misc. pieces of Cardboard matting. FBI submission # Q-187

    #11-Piece of cardboard mat with pink raised heart shaped material-Baseline Marker Lane 6-40-50ft WEST of Baseline-FBI submission #Q-188

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    Default FBI finds "toddler-sized" stain in trunk of Casey anthony's car

    FBI: stain in tot mom's trunk
    Police believe there is a stain in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car that resembles the silhouette of a small child.

    Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

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    "Believe"? Stains regularly look like the virgin Mary. They've got to do better than that.

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    Is this case still set for October?
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    There wasn't any DNA in/on that supposed "stain".

    Casey Anthony: WKMG says DNA mystery could be big break for defense
    posted by halboedeker on Sep 29, 2009 11:34:07 PM
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    At 6 tonight, WKMG-Channel 6's Tony Pipitone hinted something big was coming in his Casey Anthony reporting.
    "We have shown the FBI's DNA test results to an expert in DNA forensics, and what she told us could be the biggest piece of evidence yet that could be used to raise doubts in jurors' minds about whether Casey Anthony is really guilty," Pipitone said.

    At 11 tonight, Pipitone delivered again. It's the story people will be discussing tomorrow.

    Pipitone explained that a second piece of DNA was found on the duct tape on Caylee's skull. "Neither shows traces of Caylee's accused killer, her mother Casey," Pipitone said.

    Making headlines earlier in the day was the news that an FBI lab analyst, during testing, had accidentally contaminated the tape.

    The second piece of DNA was found on the tape's adhesive side, Pipitone reported.


    The DNA expert confirmed to Pipitone that this second piece of DNA does not belong to Caylee, Casey, Casey's parents or the FBI lab analyst.

    "It could be the biggest break in the case for the defense," Pipitone said.

    Dr. Henrietta Nunno, the expert, said someone else -- perhaps the perpetrator or another analyst -- could have contaminated the tape. "

    Of course, the defense may now argue it's not contamination at all but rather the DNA of Caylee's real killer," Pipitone said.

    Pipitone also reported that the FBI has found that the tape on Caylee's skull does not come from the same source as the tape on a gas tank in the Anthony home.

    "If that bears out as this case progresses, that could also be very damaging in any attempt to tie Casey to the scene of that crime," Pipitone said.

    "Wow!" anchor Lauren Rowe said. "It seems like it's a big deal for the prosecution."

    No kidding.

    Pipitone listed findings that could help the defense: His report last week that the outline of a heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape had been destroyed in FBI testing. The FBI's admission that it couldn't say one hair found in Casey's car trunk comes from a dead body. And the FBI's acknowledging that it's too speculative to say there was the stain of a child in a fetal position in the trunk.

    "The forensic case is clearly showing some signs of weakening," Pipitone summed up.

    WKMG also reported that Brad Conway, the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, tomorrow will discuss the latest documents released in the case.

    Orlando Sentinel - Casey Anthony: WKMG says DNA mystery could be big break for defense by Hal Boedeker

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    An article regarding the heart-sticker on the duct tape:
    ORLANDO, Fla. -- It was one of the most jaw-dropping, heart-rending disclosures in the case against accused child killer Casey Anthony: that someone intentionally placed a heart-shaped sticker on the duct tape that was wrapped around her daughter Caylee's skull. PDF: FBI Document
    VIDEO: Evidence Destroyed
    The claim was based on a fingerprint examiner at the Federal Bureau of Investigation laboratory reporting that she saw the shape or outline of a heart on the duct tape. But Local 6 has learned no one else will ever see what that examiner saw because all traces of it were destroyed by testing at the FBI lab.

    The Orange County Sheriff's Office cited that report in obtaining a search warrant for arts and crafts materials in the Anthony family home, swearing the FBI lab "noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears the sticker was put on the tape intentionally." The search warrant was approved, and detectives recovered dozens of heart stickers and the empty backings for heart stickers from the Anthony home during the search on Dec. 20, 2008, nine days after Caylee's body was found dumped in nearby woods. But Local 6 has obtained a report from the FBI laboratory that reveals all traces of such a shape on the duct tape were destroyed by the FBI lab during a fingerprint-testing process and no photograph of the outline of a heart was taken by the FBI before all traces of it were obliterated.

    Some evidence photos have been withheld from public release, so it is not known if any other agency took photos that show an outline of a heart on the tape. But there has been no mention of other such photos in any of the discovery released so far. Without such an image, a jury will never get to see exactly what was on the duct tape and the size of the outline of the heart cannot be exactly compared to the stickers recovered.

    Casey Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder, child abuse and other crimes in connection with the murder of Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July 2008. Caylee's remains were found in December. Casey Anthony faces a possible death penalty if convicted. Anthony's defense team told Local 6 News on Friday that it is aware the evidence was destroyed but would not comment specifically about it. A defense team spokeswoman only said that Anthony's attorneys are moving forward and preparing for trial.

    The disclosure that potential evidence was destroyed comes in a document turned over to the defense but not yet released by the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office, which has made public 8,000 pages of discovery in the criminal case. Page 9316 of the discovery, obtained by Local 6 before its official release, is a handwritten FBI Laboratory Activity and Communication Log. In it, FBI lab request coordinator Erin P. Martin makes notes of conversations between FBI agents in the field and the lab in Quantico, Va.
    On Dec. 13, two days after the body was found, she describes how Elizabeth K. Fontaine, a forensic examiner in the lab's latent print operations unit, noticed "a heart shape/outline" on the duct tape, but was "unable to see it after powder process." That process is used to lift any fingerprints from materials. No such prints were found on the tape, according to previously released FBI lab reports. But the presence of a heart shape on the tape begs an obvious question: Did the FBI lab photograph the outline of the heart before it was apparently obliterated by the powder process? Martin answers the question with her next notation: "No photo of image." But agents assisting the sheriff's office at the crime scene were clearly intrigued.

    Two days later, on Dec. 15, 2008, Martin logs a call from an FBI evidence response team agent working in Orlando: "Agent wanted to know if TEU (the lab's trace evidence unit) saw anything on tape." Martin apparently checks and writes next: "Per TEU: No, didn't see any heart-shaped item." She then checks again with the latent print unit and writes: "Shape/outline was … near end on non-adh(esive) side." And that's the last mention of the heart shape in the five-page FBI communication log, which ends on Dec. 22, 2008. While a jury will apparently never see the image that Fontaine reported seeing, prosecutors could seek to introduce testimony at trial about the shape or outline of a heart on the duct tape.

    Former prosecutor Elizabeth Rahter told Local 6 that evidence of the heart on the duct tape could be a big help to a prosecutor trying to implicate a mother in the death of a child. “Obviously, it's somebody who felt some love or remorse or wanted to give some sign of not just brutality,” she said of the killer, adding the heart may have been a signal that “I killed you, but I'm sorry. I killed you but, I love you anyway." She said any mistakes by crime labs can raise doubts in jurors’ minds, if they are conditioned to the open-and-shut crime cases seen on shows like CSI. “Obviously, you always have that human element. So I'm sure she did not intentionally say, 'I'm going to destroy this,'" Rahter said. “And she probably thought it was going to come out better when she started applying the powder used to lift fingerprints." But, Rahter added, all is not lost for the prosecution, because Fontaine could still testify about what she saw. “Everybody's a witness, right? So they're either a witness because they've seen something or they know something or they heard something,” Rahter said. “So this person is a person who saw something, so she'll have to testify to it.”

    The warrant shows investigators clearly tried to tie any heart stickers found in the Anthony home to the reported shape on the duct tape and another heart sticker found in the woods near Caylee's body. The warrant notes "in the search area investigators located a small heart-shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape." But the sticker found in the woods was 30 to 40 feet away from where Caylee's skull was found, and it was affixed to cardboard. Also, Local 6 compared it to the heart stickers and sticker sheets found in the Anthony home and found it was not an exact match to any of those photographed and released so far in discovery to the public.

    Local 6 left a message with FBI fingerprint analyst Fontaine, asking why she did not take a photo of the image before conducting the powder test that apparently destroyed any trace of it. The phone call has not been returned.
    Docs Show Caylee Evidence Destroyed - Orlando News Story - WKMG Orlando

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    I don't think she will. There are too many other things that point to her involvement in Caylee's disappearance. She still looks guilty beyond a reasonable of a doubt, as opposed to beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is not the legal standard).

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    Bitch is sooooo guilty. Hope they can nail her.

    Can you imagine the community she and her parents live in if she got off? All hell would break loose.

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    None of the evidence has been cross-examined in a court of law as yet. We don't know how it will look once the defense is able to mount challenges. We see a lot of it falling apart as we speak, including the FBI now admitting that the hair they found in the trunk MAY NOT have come from a dead body.

    I've said this all along, actually. The FBI has protocol and procedure that they go by. STRICTLY so! and if the hair from the trunk had definitively come from a dead body the terminology would have been "post-mortem root band". The report on the hair does not contain this phrase. It says: "characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal (root) end."

    If your hair fell off and stayed in a trunk in the hot Florida sun, it would also decompose. These "charateristics" are NOT the same as the bacteria that forms in a dead body and deposits in hair roots, forming the so-called "death band".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha View Post
    None of the evidence has been cross-examined in a court of law as yet. We don't know how it will look once the defense is able to mount challenges. We see a lot of it falling apart as we speak, including the FBI now admitting that the hair they found in the trunk MAY NOT have come from a dead body.

    I've said this all along, actually. The FBI has protocol and procedure that they go by. STRICTLY so! and if the hair from the trunk had definitively come from a dead body the terminology would have been "post-mortem root band". The report on the hair does not contain this phrase. It says: "characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal (root) end."

    If your hair fell off and stayed in a trunk in the hot Florida sun, it would also decompose. These "charateristics" are NOT the same as the bacteria that forms in a dead body and deposits in hair roots, forming the so-called "death band".
    Court cases aren't decided like episodes of CSI, though. Casey's humongous batch of lies about her whereabouts, about people she met, where she worked, where she dropped off Caylee, and about the timeline are very damning. Borrowing a car, and borrowing gas cans, and borrowing a shovel. Her recorded conversations with her parents. Jurors will be looking at all that and her pattern of depraved disregard for the welfare of her daughter. People have been convicted on much less evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Court cases aren't decided like episodes of CSI, though. Casey's humongous batch of lies about her whereabouts, about people she met, where she worked, where she dropped off Caylee, and about the timeline are very damning. Borrowing a car, and borrowing gas cans, and borrowing a shovel. Her recorded conversations with her parents. Jurors will be looking at all that and her pattern of depraved disregard for the welfare of her daughter. People have been convicted on much less evidence.
    I am very, very well aware of how court cases are decided.

    Yes, jurors will be looking at all of that, but none of US know as yet if there are reasonable explanations to some of those things. This is why we are to presume innocent until PROVEN guilty. Casey doesn't have to prove her innocence, the prosecutors have to prove her guilt.

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