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    Migrant rape fears spread across Europe: Women told not to go out at night alone after assaults carried out in Sweden, Finland, Germany, Austria and Switzerland amid warnings gangs are co-ordinating attacks


    • Sweden has issued warnings to women to be wary of potential attacks
    • 15 young women have reported being groped by men in Kalmar, Sweden
    • Austrian police have come under fire after claims attacks were covered-up
    • Finnish police say they have information that the attacks are co-ordinated
    • Vienna's police chief advises women not to go out on the streets alone
    • Cologne police chief Wolfgang Albers relieved of his duties over handling of New Year's Eve sex attacks

    Security authorities are growing increasingly concerned by the rising number of sex attacks by gangs of migrants which appear to be spreading across Europe.
    Finland and Sweden today became the latest European countries to issue warnings to women to be wary of the threat of sex attacks following fresh reports of sexual assaults in the last week, while the Viennese police chief adviced women not to go outside alone in Vienna.
    The warnings come as reports emerged that Austrian and German police tried to cover-up the issue over fears of reprisal attacks on asylum seekers and damage to the countries' tourist trade.
    Dozens of arrests have been made today in connection with the wave of recent sex attacks across Europe.

    Security authorities are growing increasingly concerned by the rising number of sex attacks by gangs of migrants which appear to be spreading across Europe
    Finnish police said today that they had been tipped off about plans by groups of asylum seekers to sexually harass women following an unusually high level of sexual harassment cases in Helsinki.
    'There hasn't been this kind of harassment on previous New Year's Eves or other occasions for that matter... This is a completely new phenomenon in Helsinki,' said deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki.
    Police in Germany are investigating more than 150 cases across five German cities where women have been attacked by the 'organised Arab or North African gangs, police said.
    Cologne has been at the centre of the problem with around 106 reported cases of assault by migrant gangs since New Year's Eve.
    Following criticism of the police's handling of the violent clashes in Cologne, the police chief of Cologne has been relieved of his duties today.
    Police chief Wolfgang Albers, 60, was informed by the state interior minister Ralf Jaeger that he would be given early retirement, a source told Reuters.

    A chilling police report about the attacks in Cologne describes women being forced to run through a 'gauntlet' of drunken men while officers themselves were mobbed by victims claiming they had been sexually assaulted.
    Two more victims from the night have spoken out today on German TV, after they were sexually assaulted and attacked with fireworks during the city's New Year's Eve celebrations.
    One woman, known only as Jenny, suffered serious burns when a firework was shoved into the hood she was wearing.
    'I heard a sizzling sound in my hood,' said Jenny. 'I somehow tried to get the firecracker out of the hood. Then it fell into my jacket and burned everything.'
    She added: 'The scars will be permanent. I was lucky that it didn't explode.'
    One German gun-shop owner Katja Triebel revealed that sales in pepper spray had shot up since the vile attacks in Cologne.
    Concerns remain that many of the men involved in the sickening assaults are still at large despite the best efforts by the police.

    Shocking: One officer in Cologne said it was the worst level of disrespect he had seen in a 30-year career


    Taunted: Police have revealed how the violent crowd, which was 'mainly' made up of migrants, openly mocked them as they tried to regain control of Cologne city centre in the run up to midnight on New Year's Eve


    Upon searching one man suspected of being part of the New Year Eve attacks in Cologne, police found notes translated from Arabic into Germany with phrases like: 'I'll kill you'



    Security officials try to lead away a man on New Year's Eve when a wave of sexual assaults were reported


    Reports have emerged of a gang of migrants throwing fireworks at crowds and sexually assaulting women



    Swiss artist Milo Moire holds a sign 'Respect us! We are no fair game even when we are naked!!!' as she protests naked in front of the Cologne today


    Horrfiying: One victim, an 18-year-old named Michelle (pictured, in the square outside the main train station where she was attacked) described being surrounded by a group of 30 'angry' men who groped her and her friends then stole their belongings as they fled. Police officers said women had to run a 'gauntlet' to escape


    Crowds clash under Germany police, with migrants chucking fireworks in Cologne

    Further cases have emerged of identical sex attacks being reported in neighbouring Austria as well as Switzerland, where six women reported identical crimes in Zurich on New Year's Eve.
    Swedish police say at least 15 young women have reported being groped by groups of men on New Year's Eve in the city of Kalmar.
    Kalmar police spokesman Johan Bruun said today that groups of men encircled women on a crowded square and groped them on New Year's Eve.
    He said no one was physically injured but that many of those targeted were terrified.
    He said two men, both asylum-seekers, were informed through interpreters that they're suspected of sexual assault and that police are trying to identify other suspects.
    When asked about similarities to the assaults in Germany, Bruun said: 'We are aware of what happened in Germany but we are focusing our investigation on what happened in Kalmar.'
    Bruun told MailOnline that that the gang 'formed a rings around the girls and started molesting them.'
    'They grabbed their breasts and genitals. In some cases they tried to drag girls into a waiting car, but those girls escaped luckily,' he revealed.
    Groups of women were targeted as well as women who were on their own at the celebrations.
    He also revealed that 11 incidents have been reported including claims from women who said they were molested inside nightclubs on the night.
    'This is something entirely new to us and has never happened before.
    'There were several groups of men that conducted these crimes and we are working very hard to find them. This is a serious crime and it is important for the citizens in Kalmar to feel safe on the streets,' he said.
    He confirmed that two men were arrested at the scene of the crime on New Years eve after they were pointed out by several women.
    'The sexual molestation continued after we arrested them and we know that there are many more perpetrators that we have yet to identify since they worked in big groups.
    'We have collected pictures and films from peoples mobile phones at the scene and will show pictures of the suspects to the victims.'
    He revealed the arrested men did not speak English or Swedish and were carrying the identity cards that said that they were asylum seekers.
    MIGRANTS LINKED TO ATTACKS IDENTIFIED BY GERMAN POLICE AMID ALLEGATIONS OF POLICE COVER UP

    German police have identified 18 asylum seekers among 31 suspects in connection with robberies and assaults committed in Cologne at New Year.
    They were detained by federal police on suspicion of committing crimes ranging from theft to assault, interior ministry spokesman Tobias Plate told reporters in Berlin.
    They were believed to be among a group of up to 1,000 people in front of Cologne's main railway station on Thursday evening.
    None of the 31 is currently suspected of committing sexual assaults of the kind that have prompted outrage in Germany over the past week.
    Mr Plate said the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, five Iranians, four Syrians, two Germans and one person each from Iraq, Serbia and the United States.
    Cologne police said they have received a total of 170 criminal complaints related to New Year, including 120 of a sexual nature. In addition to the 31 suspects detained by federal officers, city police arrested two men from North Africa, aged 16 and 23.
    Austrian police have been accused of covering up the sex attacks by migrant gangs in Vienna.
    Police have dismissed the claims, insisting they had held the information back 'to protect the privacy of victims'.
    News of the victims in Austria, which has included several arrests of migrants from Afghanistan and Syria, was revealed after women and girls said they suffered attacks from migrants and came forward to complain to local media.
    One identified as Sabrina told Austrian newspaper Osterreich that she was still suffering from shock from her ordeal which happened when she was in a club in the centre of the Mozart city of Salzburg.



    Finnish police said that they had been tipped off about plans by groups of asylum seekers to sexually harass women following an unusually high level of sexual harassment cases in Helsinki (pictured)



    Iraqi migrants are pictured inside a refugee center located in former barracks, in Lahti, Finland



    Swedish police say at least 15 young women have reported being groped by groups of men on New Year's Eve


    In Finland, security guards hired to patrol the city on New Year's Eve told police there had been 'widespread sexual harassment' at a central square where around 20,000 people had gathered for celebrations.
    Three sexual assaults allegedly took place at Helsinki's central railway station on New Year's Eve, where around 1,000 mostly Iraqi asylum seekers had converged.
    'Police have... received information about three cases of sexual assault, of which two have been filed as complaints,' Helsinki police said in a statement.
    'The suspects were asylum seekers. The three were caught and taken into custody on the spot,' Helsinki deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki told AFP.
    Police said they had increased their preparedness 'to an exceptional level' in Helsinki for New Year's Eve after being tipped off about possible problems.
    THE CHILLING NOTES FOUND BY POLICE ON SEX ATTACK SUSPECT IN COLOGNE

    Germany police have confirmed that one man they have arrested from the gang of Arab and North African men who attacked women in Cologne.
    Written on pieces of paper, police discovered lurid phrases in Arabic translated into German for him to use against women victims.
    Among the threatening messages was: 'I'll kill you.' The notes also had the phrase for 'nice breasts' and 'I want to have sex with you.'
    The suspects arrested from the Cologne sex attacks reportedly included 9 Algerians, 8 Moroccans, 4 Syrians, 5 Iranians, 2 Germans and one each from Iraq, Serbia and the USA.


    'Ahead of New Year's Eve, the police caught wind of information that asylum seekers in the capital region possibly had similar plans to what the men gathered in Cologne's railway station have been reported to have had,' police said in a statement.
    Dozens of apparently coordinated sexual assaults against women took place on New Year's Eve in the western German city of Cologne.
    Cologne police said they had received 120 criminal complaints and quoted witnesses as saying that groups of 20-30 young men 'who appeared to be of Arab origin' had surrounded victims, assaulted them and in several cases robbed them.
    Despite the growing number of copy-cat attacks by migrants gangs, Helsinki's deputy police chief said he did not think police believed there is a link between the Cologne and Helsinki incidents.
    Shortly before New Year's Eve, Finnish police also arrested six Iraqis at an asylum residency centre in Kirkkonummi, around 30 kilometres west of Helsinki, suspected of 'publicly inciting criminal behaviour'. They were released on January 2.
    According to Koskimaki, the arrests were linked to the information police received in the run-up to New Year's Eve.
    In November, Finnish authorities said around 10 asylum seekers were suspected of rapes, among the more than 1,000 rapes reported to police in 2015.
    Vienna's police chief has has caused outrage by advising women in the wake of sex attacks over New Year not to go out on the streets alone in Austria.
    The astonishing claims by Gerhard Purstl were made as it was revealed Austria also had cases registered in which women claimed to have been sexually assaulted by men who were described by their victims as being immigrants.
    In neighbouring Germany, more than 100 women have come forward to say they were assaulted over New Year by groups of men who were described in police protocols as being mostly nely-arrived asylum seekers.


    Vienna's police chief Gerhard Purstl has has caused outrage by advising women in the wake of sex attacks over New Year not to go out on the streets alone in Austria



    Refugees Migrants arriving at railway station in Vienna, Austria, back in September 2015


    In the wake of the scandal, Purstl was asked about the incidents and about the risk that women were in.
    He then said: 'Women should in general not go out on the streets at night alone, they should avoid suspicious looking areas and also when in pubs and clubs should only accept drinks from people they know.'
    The statement immediately attracted criticism from the country's Green party women's affairs spokesman Berivan Aslan who said: 'Should women now only go out with bodyguards if they want to avoid being told it was their fault when they get into difficulties?'
    And the Green party security spokesman Peter Pilz said: 'Is the Vienna police chief saying that he is no longer in a position to protect women from sex attacks? If so, then he has failed in his job.'
    The Social Democratic Party's Women's Affairs spokesman in the city, Sandra Frauenberger, added: 'The first reaction to incidents like this should not be to tell women to be more careful.'
    NORWAY OFFERS MIGRANTS COURSES IN RESPECTING WOMEN

    Norway is offering asylum seekers courses in how to interpret morals in a country that may seem astonishingly liberal to them.
    It is hoped the course in help prevent violence against women.
    Questions are also being raised about how to integrate men from patriarchal societies into Europe, where women dress skimpily, drink alcohol and party.
    'Our aim is to help asylum seekers avoid mistakes as they discover Norwegian culture,' explained Linda Hagen of Hero, a private company that runs 40 percent of Norway's reception centres for asylum seekers.
    'There's no single cultural code to say what is good or bad behaviour because we want a free society,' she said.
    'There has to be tolerance for attitudes that may be seen as immoral by some traditional or religious norms.'


    'The proper reaction is for us all to work together to fight problems like this,' Ms Frauenberger said.
    The country's Interior Ministry Johanna Mikl-Leitner also waded into the debate saying: 'The police will make sure that they tackle every sex assault cases with zero tolerance. We women will not allow ourselves to see our freedom to go where we want when we want reduced by even a millimetre'.
    Purstl meanwhile defended his statement saying he was simply repeating advice that had been repeated by police for decades as part of the general prevention of crime strategy.
    It was the same message that was repeated when it was realised there was a risk of women being tricked by strangers into taking spiked drinks.
    The police are already under fire in Austria after admitting only revealing numerous incidents of sex attacks in the city of Salzburg when the full extent of the German problem had become known. The police claimed however it was nothing to do with a conspiracy of silence, and they had acted out of respect for the victims.
    So far they said there had been 10 cases in which women had come forward to complain, although on social media many more told their stories, saying they did not want to go to the police.
    They said they could not describe the attackers in enough detail as they were too scared and only wanted to get away.
    Thousands have pledged their support to a German vigilante group which has vowed to protect women from migrants in the wake of the New Year's Eve attacks in Cologne.
    The group says it wants to make the streets safer through 'presence' alone but police have warned that 'searching for offenders is not a job for citizens'.
    After the group was launched, and gained thousands of followers overnight, a Dusseldorf police spokesman told local media that German police is responsible for public security.
    He said the police had no problem with people acting bravely in the face of crime but they were against 'self proclaimed vigilantes'.



    German phrasebook found on asylum seeker sex attack suspect in Cologne included lurid phrases such as 'nice breasts' and 'I want to have sex with you'
    It is the worst nightmare Chancellor Angela Merkel could have imagined for her 'open door' policy towards refugees from war zones which have seen over a million people enter the country in the last 12 months, polarizing opinion and stretching the social fabric ever thinner.
    The first two suspects of gang that assaulted and robbed over 100 women on New Year's Eve were finally arrested today.
    Videos of the crowds, together with the howl of fireworks and the shrieks of women they assaulted, were found on their mobile phones.
    Officers found a note on one of the men containing Arabic-German translations for phrases including 'nice breasts', 'I'll kill you' and 'I want to have sex with you.'
    Twelve more people are being sought in connection with 121 complaints from women attacked on the last night of the year.
    Federal police, as opposed to Cologne city officers, were responsible for security inside the besieged train station. They say they quizzed nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, four Syrians, five Iranians, one Iraqi, one Serbian, and one US citizen following reports on the night.
    ear's Eve firework night
    There were 18 asylum seekers among the 31 people stopped by the federal police, who also recorded three sexual assaults.
    Hoteliers and trade fair officials said the first cancellations from holidaymakers who planned visits to the ancient city on the Rhine had started in the wake of the attacks.
    The perception of refugees has changes with each new incident like this. Most people used to have sympathy for them, but that is changing, you can see it in people's attitude and hear it in the way they talk about foreigners
    Refugee worker in Cologne


    'The image of Cologne has suffered a crack,' said the managing director of Cologne tourism, Josef Sommer. The city tourism office admitted to receiving 'dozens' of emails and phone calls from tourists concerned with safety in the city.
    Germany's far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) said ordinary people are now afraid to go out.
    Spokesman Klaus Kraemer told MailOnline: 'German people are now frightened to go to the train station or other open spaces where they may encounter large numbers of refugees.
    'They have become afraid of foreigners. They are now looking over their shoulder when they are in the train station to see who is behind them.
    A refugee worker told MailOnline how public opinion in Germany is turning against refugees, saying: 'The perception of refugees has changes with each new incident like this.
    'Most people used to have sympathy for them, but that is changing, you can see it in people's attitude and hear it in the way they talk about foreigners.'
    Christoph Becker, managing director of the Hotel and Restaurant Association Cologne, encompassing 500 members, spoke of a degree of 'high uncertainty' in the near future.
    The events of the night there, and in several other German cities including Hamburg where upwards of 50 women reported similar sexual assaults and robberies, have proved manna from heaven for the far right and anti-asylum seeking groups.
    Pegida, which draws strong support among the middle classes, is planning a march in the city tomorrow with the theme 'Pegida Protects.'




    Manhunt: At least 12 more people are being sought in connection with 121 complaints from women attacked on the last night of the year (pictured, flowers left at the scene of the mass attack)


    The Alternative for Germany party said what happened in Cologne 'was a direct result of the policies of Angela Merkel and her government.'
    One AFD supporter wrote online: 'These rapes were only the beginning and it will not stay at hate sermons, thefts, rapes, robberies but escalate to beatings, stabbings,…threats, against the infidels on every corner.'
    Another right winger predicted: 'Soon the mostly young and male interlopers will get that, what they want - and with force of arms. The civil war will come indeed. For these crap people, Merkel must take responsibility. She brought the riff raff in.'
    On a post of Pegida on the state of Baden-Württemberg, a supporter invoked the ghost of the Austrian born Hitler, stating: 'We need a politician from Austria. What is Mrs. Merkel up to, turning German into a negro land?'
    The Green Party in Cologne, heavily pro-immigration, warned that new Facebook groups were springing up specifically to spread hatred of asylum seekers.
    And the far-right Pro NRW – it stands for North Rhine-Westphal

    Bad press: The attacks in Cologne, considered a 'progressive' and safe city, are bad news for Chancellor Angela Merkel who welcomed more than one million refugees fleeing war zones into the country


    It said what happened on New Year's Eve was part of 'the underbelly of mass immigration. This is a new and disturbing trend - testosterone-driven new residents on the hunt for young indigenous women'.
    While life has not stopped for young women in the city, there have noticeably been less of them walking alone through the city at night this week, or travelling home alone on trains, trams and buses.
    Management consultant Nicola, 26, told MailOnline: 'What happened here in the station on Sylvester Night is so completely wrong.
    'We expect that a woman can be safe to walk around at night in Germany, without being harassed by men.
    'This will change the way that German people think about foreigners and accepting refugees.'
    Hotel worker Sanu, originally from Niger, West Africa, blasted those responsible – and demanded they be brought to justice.
    'These men would not dare to do something like this in their own country, so why do they think they can get away with it here?' asked
    'There is no excuse for harassing and touching women in this way. If a man touched a woman like this in an Arab country they would be severely punished. These people are bringing shame on all foreigners coming to Germany.'
    Art student Helen, 18, added: 'What happened here at the station was terrible. It cannot be right that women can't walk around a city in Germany without being attacked. This is not the German way. We [women] have a right to go and do whatever we want in safety.'
    There is a heavy police presence on the streets, taken by some to be too little, too late in the wake of their pathetic response to the chaos inside the station on December 31.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManxMouse View Post
    Can you link me to what the mayor said? Not doubting, just too lazy to go searching.
    BERLIN — The mayor of Cologne has inflamed a debate in Germany about migrants and sexual harassment by suggesting that women can protect themselves from men on the streets by wearing special suits made out of mousetraps. She also recommended that women who go out in public floss their teeth while they are walking because "guys really find that a turnoff". Other ideas Heike suggested include stopping every 5 feet to clip your toenails, as well as talk about your raging yeast infection.
    The remarks by the mayor, Henriette Reker, were made Tuesday to reporters after the Cologne police said they had received more than 90complaints of robbery and sexual assault, including two accounts of rape, by groups of men who targeted young women in and around the city’s main train station in the crush of revelers on New Year’s Eve.
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    All this could have been, and was, predicted. Allowing in almost a million in Germany alone mostly single, angry, sexually frustrated, testosterone fuelled young men whose religion/culture actively despises (fears?) women and treats them like chattels and a police force that dares not enforce the law for fear of being branded "racist" by a PC media and Govt that can't admit it's opened Pandora's Box and this is the New Europe. Thanks Chancellor Merkel and the naive fools who support this insanity.
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    Notice how the reports are of assault and robbery? I have heard that the assaults may be cover for robbery as well. Who is going to notice that their purse was taken while they try to fend off a groper or worse? There are all kinds of organised issues here.
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    Everyone is so desperate to avoid the camel in the room they have to use less honest euphemisms to describe what happened. That's if they even report it at all. If almost 100 women had been sexually assaulted ("I had fingers in every orifice" 17yr old victim) in, say, Times Square, would it have taken nearly 4 days for the media to report it and the police to make even one arrest?
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    I cant help but wonder how come in the last decade that we had millions of migrants living or passing by Greece,there was only one rape victim.
    There are some really bad places downtown Athens we avoid visiting,mostly at night,but nothing as the Cologne attacks..i just hope they,ll find a solution as soon as possible..
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    I was just trying to highlight that it's a financial as well as sexual issue (attacking weak targets) and you are not going to find a solution for that.
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    I'm sure there have been more rapes effie, and not just perpetrated by migrants, but a cowed and complicit media doesn't report it because it doesn't fit their rainbow multiculti agenda.
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    oh,i dont think so,we have a fair share of far right parties ,and they would be the first to shout bloody murder in the first incident.there might be a bit more than published,but we are basically a small village and nothing stays under wraps for long..
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    In my recent time in France (2010-11) there was a lot of tension with "les arabes" -- I personally was nearly knocked over on purpose by a man who was obviously Arab and more than 40 years old, and who was hanging out with some other men, and this was while I was with my boyfriend but separated by a few feet. That was the worst I experienced, but my boyfriend generally did not want me to go out alone at night, which I thought too cautious on his part. But he'd had one girlfriend who was attacked by a group of Arab men, and another girlfriend who was raped by two Arab men she thought were her friends. And his brother was stalked and harassed by an Arab man in their town and eventually hit him and ended up with a police record (while the man who'd been stalking him was never detained by police for anything). I have a friend in France who was surrounded by a group of Arab men who called her a "French bitch" and lit her car on fire.

    In New York, my neighborhood has a sizable Muslim / Middle Eastern population, and tensions are quite low. That's not to say there are no problems, but usually the problems appear to be small aggressions toward Muslims by non-Muslims. (And occasional worse aggressions toward them.)

    My opinion has been that some societies / cities are better at integrating their immigrant populations than others. I think integration is the proper goal, too, not assimilation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whitetigeress View Post
    Here's the thing with mass migration, there is naturally going to be some bad apples coming in with the good. And, some really bad apples
    What do you do when the kids are bad? Discipline them.
    I like what Greysfang said.
    Trick for the police, gov't is to get the damn job done. Don't talk out of the ass about it, do it! Take care of the mess to protect the people.

    It's stuff like that this that worries me in regards to my PM Trudeau's blind faith in the mass that has been/is coming here. All I can say is God help the man that mistreats me or any of my friends and family. I'll show them how it's handled here.
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    It's a bigger problem than a few bad apples. It's a culture that is sexually repressed and believes women are little more than cattle. I'll be politically correct and point out that of course it's not all men, but if we openly admit to a rape culture in America, that is miles ahead in terms of women's rights, we cannot possibly pretend this is just a few bad guys and not a much larger, more difficult issue.

    Norway and Denmark have already experimented with classes for new migrants to explain western sexual attitudes, the law and other issues like dress and the notion of a woman’s absolute right never to be forced into sex, even with marriage.
    Norway and Denmark know it. Why else have classes that teach don't rape.
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    It's weird because you think you'd just consider yourself grateful and lucky that a rich, progressive country took you in from your hellhole you escaped from. And instead, you are assaulting your hosts.
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    But then you find you have no money and you are surplus to requirements. You can't go forward and you can't go back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    It's weird because you think you'd just consider yourself grateful and lucky that a rich, progressive country took you in from your hellhole you escaped from. And instead, you are assaulting your hosts.
    I had a conversation with two female friends about this last night. Both are professionals, and generally aware of the world. Neither had heard about any of this, and were shocked (and frustrated) that the American news moguls hadn't decided it was "newsworthy". Yet another reminder that women's rights are continually considered a second thought to literally everything else newsworthy in this world.

    I've been thinking about the situation with a very similar analogy. If you invite a houseguest to your home, and said houseguest behaves in a blatantly disrespectful manner while stomping literally and figuratively over the rules of your household, you'd send them packing.

    I simply don't understand why there is ANY suggestion that German (or Greek, or French et al) women must change their behavior and way of life simply because of "guests" in their country. I consider myself a relatively liberal American citizen and am a tried and true NY east coast progressive, but the thought that this was covered up in part due to a hesitancy to seem un-PC and stoking the fires of racism is simply unacceptable.

    I certainly would not be satisfied with the explanation of "that's just how it is" and "keep them at arm's length" and/or "change your own behavior".

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    I heard immigrants say that westerners are to blame for their current state and therefore they should pay for it.Soft ones say with money,but some want blood.It is also true they think European women are dressed slutty and they are looking for men.It happened to my girls and me while visiting Istanboul,men were clearly expecting we will have sex with them just because they honored us by liking us.
    I had to explain we were over dressed as Greeks and we didnt carry our genitals in our forehead for easy access .Also IF we were gagging for it ,it was NOT with them anyway.
    I can understand how they think,the way they were brought up,the cultural and religious differences.This is their world and their outlook.
    I know Europe wrecked big parts of their countries for financial gain and i dont blame them for feeling the way they do.
    BUT,they got to realize nothing good comes from revenge on people that can hardly decide their country,s policies.
    It really must stop.They ll turn Euro citizens against them and the anti migrant far rights will flourish..
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