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    Quote Originally Posted by burnt_toast View Post
    Aside from the obvious danger of a mass of loaded guns in an elementary school, I can't believe how hard we have to fight to get funding for schools to educate - and they are proposing arming and training every teacher? Absurd.

    And this makes me so furious I could spit: I have a wingnut cousin on the NRA payroll. He sent me - Democratic Underground
    wow, it makes me furious (well, not too furious, i really don't get that worked up over people i don't know on the internet), that you are so upset over that poem.......it is comforting for people who do believe in God, and do believe in the afterlife. you don't have to agree that God exists, or that the children are in heaven, but why on earth would you get upset over people who do believe?

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    i re-read the poem......maybe you guys are upset over the last part of the poem. i focused mostly on the beginning 2/3 of it. however, i still don't think it is anything to get FURIOUS over.
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    Ugh. Ya'll have no idea how many times I've seen this goddamned lame ass poem shitting up my FB wall.

    I'm just tired of seeing it. But the "taking back my nation and my schools" is offensive. From what, exactly?
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    as long as people are being fucked sideways with conifers, let me recommend that Charlotte Allen be added to the list

    National Review writer’s offensive Newtown theory

    Twitter responds to the National Review's Charlotte Allen, who blames Sandy Hook Elementary's "feminized setting"

    By Jillian Rayfield


    Staging area outside Sandy Hook firehouse in Sandy Hook, Conn. (Credit: AP Photo/The Journal News, Frank Becerra Jr.)

    A writer for the National Review hypothesized that the shootings in Newtown, Conn., would not have occurred if the school had more men around to fight back against Adam Lanza, “or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys.”

    As part of an NRO symposium called “Newtown Answers,” Charlotte Allen writes:
    There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees. Women and small children are sitting ducks for mass-murderers. The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms. But in general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

    source: National Review writer’s offensive Newtown theory - Salon.com

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    Men and husky 12 year old boys aren't any more bulletproof than females.
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    ^ So men have the ability to walk through a wall of bullets and just floor gunmen? Good to know.

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    and in a school that only goes up to grade four, there aren't likely to be any of these magically bulletproof boy children of that age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsDark View Post

    I'm just tired of seeing it. But the "taking back my nation and my schools" is offensive. From what, exactly?
    oh, i don't know, this little thing called SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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    Quote Originally Posted by dexter7 View Post
    wow, it makes me furious (well, not too furious, i really don't get that worked up over people i don't know on the internet), that you are so upset over that poem.......it is comforting for people who do believe in God, and do believe in the afterlife. you don't have to agree that God exists, or that the children are in heaven, but why on earth would you get upset over people who do believe?

    edited to add:

    i re-read the poem......maybe you guys are upset over the last part of the poem. i focused mostly on the beginning 2/3 of it. however, i still don't think it is anything to get FURIOUS over.
    I see, so because you believe in something your belief and that author's belief are allowed to christianize something that you can't possibly know - the religion of the children who were murdered - to make yourselves feel better? It's presumptuous and obnoxious and the author has no right to imply that the murder of those children in their classroom is somehow the greatest joy of their exceptionally short lives. Have your religious beliefs, I have no issue with that, but how dare that author twist this horror into some try to be feel good christian moment of heaven - it's sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    I see, so because you believe in something your belief and that author's belief are allowed to christianize something that you can't possibly know - the religion of the children who were murdered - to make yourselves feel better? It's presumptuous and obnoxious and the author has no right to imply that the murder of those children in their classroom is somehow the greatest joy of their exceptionally short lives. Have your religious beliefs, I have no issue with that, but how dare that author twist this horror into some try to be feel good christian moment of heaven - it's sick.
    actually, the majority of the children were christian, but that is neither here nor there. i think it's sick that you or anyone else is that upset over it......imagine me getting sick and furious and worked into a frenzy because you (or anyone else) don't believe in heaven or jesus or allah or buddha (or insert whatever your belief is). do you really believe the author, or anyone else who found comfort in the poem, believes that the "greatest joy of their [children)] exceptionally short lives" was their murder? how ridiculous, but everything is open to interpretation.
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    They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.

    Golly gee, where would I have gotten that idea?
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    ^^ Plus it's sending the not-so-subtle message (which has been plastered all over facebook) that if only God were in schools, this wouldn't have happened. Bullshit. More people have died in the name of someone else's God than any lone gunman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    ^^ Plus it's sending the not-so-subtle message (which has been plastered all over facebook) that if only God were in schools, this wouldn't have happened. Bullshit. More people have died in the name of someone else's God than any lone gunman.
    that's the worst part. it's a shitty, poem. not just because of the message but because it's a terrible poem, like twilight-esque levels of awful.
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    I think you have to imagine for a moment that it was your child and that this is tragic, horrible, heartwrenching and something you never recover from. They will never grow up, they will never develop interests, they will never experience living on their own, they will never fall in love, they will never know what it means to love their own children. Now, they are gone, gunned down in the one place (outside the home) that should have been safest for them. Now imagine someone decides to utilize this tragedy to script a hallmark moment about how it's actually a blessing, a miracle and we should all be grateful and rejoice that they died so young.

    The idea that this is, in any way, something to rejoice over is disgusting, insensitive and presumptuous. People can feel comforted by their fairytales as much as they want, but I will be as disgusted and furious as I want in return. I won't pretend that just because it is their faith it is worthy of respect, or just because it makes people feel good that it's valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.

    Golly gee, where would I have gotten that idea?
    it's certainly not saying "getting shot up by a crazy man is the best thing that ever happened to me". or anything close to that, actually, it just sounds like being in heaven gave the children joy. most religions do tend to describe the afterlife as a joyous place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dexter7 View Post
    it's certainly not saying "getting shot up by a crazy man is the best thing that ever happened to me". or anything close to that, actually, it just sounds like being in heaven gave the children joy. most religions do tend to describe the afterlife as a joyous place.
    and telling people to shut up, toe the line and put up with the shit they're deal in the real world because they'll be rewarded with angels and joy when they die! so who cares if life on earth sucks, the afterlife will be awesome! as long as you're good and follow the rules, that is, otherwise you're going to hell with all the other free-thinkers and sluts.
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