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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I do think guns make it too easy. For example, take what happened in China on exactly the same day. A crazy guy goes into a Chinese school and attacks a class full of kids with a knife. The victims are approximately the same age as Lanza's, but there are now 23 injured children instead of 23 dead children.

    I'm not sure it's either practical or desirable to eliminate guns. However, I think we, as a country, are fixated on what it means to "infringe" people's rights. I don't think keeping guns out of the hands of unstable people is infringement. Or that saying you can't own more than two or so low-velocity, low capacity guns is infringement. However, a lot of gun rights people think it is. And no amount of dead children or massacre victims is going to convince them otherwise. In their view, it's Groundskeeper Willy's fault for not packing heat along with his mop bucket and tool belt.

    I agree with you on this point. We do need some new limits set, without totally removing the right.
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    of course there will always be psycho mass murderers. but you have to be retarded not to realise that strict gun laws (as in waaaaay more strict than the laws in place in the US right now) will at least make it harder for them to amass arsenals legally. less guns = less violence. it really is that simple but it's amazing what denial does to people's capacity for logical thinking.
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    Because you're not active duty military or president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    Why can't I have a tank?
    You can. It just has to be the kind that sits on the back of your toilet.
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    I, for one, look forward to the day I can walk into my local gun shop and purchase a 75 millimeter howitzer for my personal protection.
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    To focus on guns being the main problem here is just the flip side of the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" coin. We're still giving guns all the power. It's ridiculous to think mentally ill people should have guns and I can't think of a reason for a person to keep an assault rifle in their house. I understand having regulations on guns, but strict gun laws are not going to help. To me, that's just another band-aid solution to a deeper problem.

    I remember bringing this up in the Aurora thread. I think it's interesting that the news keeps talking about the deadliest school shootings, not the deadliest school killings.

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    Bath School disaster

    Bath Consolidated School before the bombing
    Location Bath Township, Clinton County, Michigan, USA
    Date May 18, 1927
    Target Bath Consolidated School, house, farm and wife
    Attack type School bombing, mass murder, murder-suicide, suicide truck bombing, fire, uxoricide
    Weapon(s) Dynamite, pyrotol, firebombs, club
    Deaths 45 (38 children, 2 teachers, 4 other adults and the bomber)
    Injured 58
    Perpetrator Andrew P. Kehoe
    Motive Revenge for defeat in local election; personal and financial stress

    The state historic site marker placed on the site



    The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator first killed his wife, and committed suicide with his last explosion. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (714 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.
    The bomber was the school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was angry after being defeated in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat; he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe carried out steps in his plan to destroy the school and his farm by purchasing and hiding explosives.
    Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head. On the morning of May 18 about 8:45, he exploded incendiary devices in his house and farm buildings, setting them on fire and destroying them.
    Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the entire school.
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    addressing those root issues will take much longer, if it's even possible. we're talking generations, and it might simply prove impossible. in the meantime, making guns harder to access is the most logical way to improve the situation. it's worked in other countries.
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    do you really think someone planning a murder is going to stop his plans because he cant get a gun legally? it's not that hard to get a gun off the street so how exactly will gun laws help when you can skirt the laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    Because you're not active duty military or president.
    But what if just want to drive it around, unarmed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunShine23 View Post
    do you really think someone planning a murder is going to stop his plans because he cant get a gun legally? it's not that hard to get a gun off the street so how exactly will gun laws help when you can skirt the laws?
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterslide View Post
    To focus on guns being the main problem here is just the flip side of the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" coin. We're still giving guns all the power. It's ridiculous to think mentally ill people should have guns and I can't think of a reason for a person to keep an assault rifle in their house. I understand having regulations on guns, but strict gun laws are not going to help. To me, that's just another band-aid solution to a deeper problem.

    I remember bringing this up in the Aurora thread. I think it's interesting that the news keeps talking about the deadliest school shootings, not the deadliest school killings.
    You could take the argument to the extreme - why make murders illegal if people are still going to murder each other year after year? Why make drunk driving illegal, or require people to wear seatbelts, if certain people continue flout these laws? The thing is, once you put a law into place, most people will obey the law, and the statistics for reduced deaths by drunken driving and lack of seat belts become marginally better, year over year:



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    Interesting read, Waterslide. I hadn't heard of that mass killing. The guy really had planned that one out and took so many lives.

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    And you're comparing apples to oranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunShine23 View Post
    do you really think someone planning a murder is going to stop his plans because he cant get a gun legally? it's not that hard to get a gun off the street so how exactly will gun laws help when you can skirt the laws?
    That's the argument that I have the most trouble understanding...we all acknowledge that there is probably not a sitcom ending solution, but the next logical argument is not 'then we should do nothing.' I haven't seen too many people argue that we should outlaw all guns - not even me. But there have to be steps to reigning in this lunacy. So we put in regulations, similar to car ownership/operation, then those law abiding citizens who refuse to register themselves and their guns become law breakers or they choose to continue to own their guns and obey the laws.

    We shut down online purchases of guns and ammo, we shut down gun shows and we have a more regulated weapons industry. In most states, I can only buy my booze from state approved vendors, why in the world can't we treat guns the same?
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