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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I'm still very curious to know what was going through his head as he somehow formulated an idea that he had to shoot up a classroom full of little kids. Was it revenge for his treatment when he was in the school system? What kind of resentment might his mom have fed him with on a regular basis as to why he was home and going nowhere in life while he his brother was successful. Did she basically shift all the blame to others (teachers, other kids, the administrators) and he eventually externalized all of it in one insane murderous blaze of glory? It would be useful to know stuff like this in terms of preventing future acts, but the two people who had the information are both dead.
    I think all of this. He and his mother had ZERO coping skills, were isolated (self imposed) and insulated (she did this to him) and she was paranoid. This is a recipe for a meltdown in a person with a mental disorder or disability. He had sensory issues, she was not certainly not beneficial for him to be around.
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    This is a good article written by Michael Moore, from back in July, regarding the gun issue.

    Michael Moore: It's the Guns - But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    Oh come on, even suggesting that the nra is the most powerful lobby in dc is just fucking ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gas_chick View Post
    Gawd if I heard once I heard a 1000 times about that theatre shooting "If I'd been there, I would have taken him out". Such shit. Let's get these assault weapons off the street and get stronger rules in place for owning a gun period.
    Totally agree. I'm tired of people posting on my FB talking about "if the teachers had guns, if we had more guns, blah blah blah..." Yeah untrained teachers with pistols firing into a school of kids during a madman's rampage, that'll stop mass shootings. -_- It's right up there with "The victim's parents who say their prayers about this incident should STFU! (a stupid atheist FB friend I unfriended" and "Why should I care about dead white children, I'm black. (another idiot FB friend I had before I cussed their ass out before I deleted them). I wish people would stop piggy-backing this tragedy to spew political drivel and sociological bullshit without caring about what's most important: the victims!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Authority View Post
    "Why should I care about dead white children, I'm black"
    Errr.... what the fuck!? Good job on the cussing. Now I'd deny all knowledge you ever knew them.
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    ^ Awful isn't it? I saw someone say something similar on another board - why should they care about white kids getting shot when no-one cares about all the black kids shot in the US every year. *sigh*.

    Any kid getting shot is awful, full stop.

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    Default Remembering the Victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting


    The hideous massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary claimed the lives of 20 young students and six adults. The victims were siblings and grandchildren, educators and mentors. As America mourns their deaths, more information is coming out about those lost in the tragedy.

    Charlotte Bacon, 6


    Charlotte Bacon’s grandmother Irene Hagen described her as a “sweet, outgoing, energetic little girl with beautiful red, curly hair,” reports WCCO TV. Bacon loved school and dresses, and on the day of the shooting, she proudly left for school in a new pink dress and boots. It was an outfit intended for the holidays, but Charlotte successfully convinced her mom, JoAnn, to let her wear her new clothes. “She was going to go some places in this world,” her uncle John Hagen toldNewsday. “This little girl could light up the room for anyone.” Her older brother Guy was also at the school at the time of the shooting but was not hurt.

    Daniel Barden, 7


    According to Daniel’s family, he “embodied everything that is wholesome and innocent in the world,” CNN reports. He loved adventure and pursued happiness fearlessly. He enjoyed soccer, swimming and music — even forming a band with his siblings. Daniel was “always smiling, unfailingly polite, incredibly affectionate, fair and so thoughtful towards others, imaginative in play, both intelligent and articulate in conversation: in all, a constant source of laughter and joy,” his parents said in a statement.

    Rachel D’Avino, 29


    Rachel D’Avino’s best friend and would have been fiancé Anthony J. Cerritelli was planning to propose to her on Christmas Eve, as he had recently asked her parents for permission to marry her, according to her obituary on the website of Munson-Lovetere Funeral Homes. Davino was working towards her doctorate degree from the University of St. Joseph of Hartford, Conn. “Her presence and tremendous smile brightened any room she entered,” reads her obituary. She loved karate, cooking, animals, baking and photography but her foremost passion was her work in behavioral therapy with children with autism.

    Olivia Engel, 6


    Olivia Engel, whose favorite colors were purple and pink, would say grace for the family before dinner every night, reports the New Haven Register. Engel did well in reading and math at school and she also took classes in art, swimming, ballet and hip hop. Her favorite toy was a stuffed lamb. “I can not stop thinking about her beautiful smile, her sweet voice, and her infectious laugh,” wrote Julie Guastello Pokrinchak on a Facebook page set up by her family.

    Josephine Gay, 7


    Josephine had celebrated her seventh birthday just three days before the massacre. She loved the color purple, and to honor her memory, residents in a new subdivision near Sandy Hook Elementary School hung purple balloons on mailboxes and gates, the Wall Street Journal reports.

    Dawn Hochsprung, 47, school principal


    Hochsprung, the school’s principal, reportedly tried to intervene when the shooter barged into Sandy Hook Elementary. Some reports claim the encounter, which led to her being fatally shot, was heard over the school intercom. It’s unclear whether Hochsprung turned the intercom’s switch on deliberately, but her last alleged act may have led to many lives being saved. Hochsprung had recently installed a new security system at Sandy Hook, requiring all visitors to ring the doorbell at the front entrance after the school doors locked at 9:30 a.m.

    Dylan Hockley, 6


    Garlic bread, video games and bouncing on the family trampoline with his older brother Jake were some of Dylan Hockley’s favorite things, his grandmother Theresa Moretti told the Boston Herald. Dylan “had the most mischievous little grin,” said Moretti. “To know him was to love him.

    Madeleine Hsu, 6

    Madeleine — also known as Maddy — was described by a neighbor as “very upbeat and kind” and “a sweet, beautiful little girl.” She often wore bright, flowery dresses.

    Catherine Hubbard, 6


    Catherine was a six-year-old first-grader at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Her parents released a statement thanking police and firemen and their close-knit community for their support after a family friend turned away reporters from their house. “We are greatly saddened by the loss of our beautiful daughter, Catherine Violet, and our thoughts and prayers are with the other families who have been affected by this tragedy,” the statement said. “We ask that you continue to pray for us and the other families who have experienced loss in this tragedy.”

    Chase Kowalski, 7


    Chase was a lively, sunny 7-year-old that charmed his neighbors with his smile and energy. He was an energetic child that had recently run a triathlon, loved baseball, was in the Cub Scouts, looked forward to the kids’ workshop at the local Home Depot, and said he wanted his teeth back for Christmas. Longtime neighbor Suzanne Baumann told the Wall Street Journal that she said she often saw the beloved boy riding an all-terrain vehicle around the yard and added that Chase was consistently friendly. He always said ‘hello,’” she said. “He was very receptive to people. He was a beautiful child, an amazing child.”
    “We are thankful to the Lord for giving us seven years with our beautiful loving son. It is with heavy hearts that we return him,” his family said in an obituary.

    Jesse Lewis, 6


    Jesse Lewis was one of the six-year-olds in Victoria Soto’s class who didn’t survive, despite her efforts to protect her students. He was described as an energetic boy who, like many of his classmates, was looking forward to the upcoming holidays. He was particularly excited to go to school on Friday, because they had plans to make gingerbread houses. His father Neil Heslin told the New York Post that he loved math and horseback riding.

    Ana Marquez-Greene, 6


    Ana Marquez-Greene moved from Canada to Connecticut with her family two months ago. Family and friends have described her as a lively child who loved music — much like her father, saxophonist Jimmy Greene, who wrote on Facebook that he was attempting to “work through this nightmare.

    James Mattioli, 6


    James’ family fondly remembers a six-year-old with a personality as bold as his mohawk hairstyle. James loved the outdoors — “I need to go outside, Mom. I need fresh air,” he would often say, according to WKTV. His favorite activities were swimming “like a fish,” riding his bike, playing iPad games, wearing an Angry Birds t-shirt, and singing so often that he once asked when he would get a chance to sing onstage. He was a chatty, hungry (for food and for life), playful child who fiercely loved his older sister. He wanted to do everything she could, his parents said in an obituary. “They were the best of friends, going to school together, playing games together, and making endless drawings and crafts together.” The boy, whose family fondly called “J,” will be incredibly missed, they continued.


    Grace McDonnell, 7


    Grace McDonnell was a “girly girl” who loved wearing pink and playing dress-up in jewelry, explained her grandmother Mary Ann McDonnell. The 7-year-old adored her pet dog named Puddin’ and enjoyed art projects, soccer and gymnastics. “A little baby like that — I just hope she didn’t suffer,” said her grandmother.

    Anne Marie Murphy, 52


    Murphy worked as an aide at Sandy Hook, where she taught art and special education. It appears that she died while attempting to shield her students from the gunfire, as her body was found covering a group of children. “She was a sweetheart and she loved Sandy Hook,” a family friend told the Wall Street Journal. Murphy is survived by her husband and four children.

    Emilie Parker, 6


    “My daughter Emilie would be one of the first ones to be standing and giving support to all the victims because that’s the kind of kid she is,” said father Robbie Parker in a statement. He added that she was an artist, always carrying around her pencils and markers to draw pictures or make cards for people.

    Jack Pinto, 6


    Six-year-old Jack Pinto was known for his love of all things sports — especially his favorite football player, Victor Cruz of the New York Giants — so much so that Jack’s parents are considering burying him in his No. 80 Giants jersey. When the the star receiver learned that Jack had idolized him, he paid a tribute to the young victim by inscribing “R.I.P Jack Pinto” and “Jack Pinto, My Hero” on his cleats for Sunday’s game against the Atlanta Falcons. On his glove, he wrote, “Jack Pinto. This one is 4 U!” Cruz plans to visit Newtown next week to present the Pinto family with the gameday gear that comprised the touching tribute to their son.

    Noah Pozner, 6


    Noah Pozner’s aunt Victoria Haller told CNN that “he had a huge heart… and was so much fun, a little bit rambunctious, lots of spirit.” He also loved playing with his siblings and cousins. Pozner’s twin sister was in another classroom and survived the attack.

    Caroline Previdi, 6


    Six-year-old Caroline loved to share smiles and laughter with friends and family — a trait that earned her the nickname “Silly Caroline,” the Wall Street Journal reports. A year ago, she was breaking open her piggy bank to put her money toward buying gifts for less fortunate children, according to People. Caroline’s older brother also attended Sandy Hook, but he safely escaped the rampage. Her grandfather described her as a “bouncy kid” who enjoyed drawing and playing soccer.

    Jessica Rekos, 6


    CNN reports that Jessica Rekos loved everything about horses — from horse movies and books to drawing and writing stories about them. This year she reportedly asked Santa for a new cowgirl hat and boots; her family had also promised that she could get her own horse when she turned 10. “We called her our little CEO for the way she carefully thought out and planned everything,” said her family in a statement. “We can not imagine our life without her.”

    Avielle Richman, 6


    Six-year-old Avielle had moved to Newtown from southern California within the past few years, LA Weekly reports. Her parents maintained a blog, called Avielle’s Adventures, where they posted about the young girl’s activities and milestones. An Oct. 19 post reads, “Today is Avielle’s Sixth birthday. I know that every parent says this, but holy cow I can’t believe how fast time flies!” In June, they posted a picture of Avielle’s kindergarten diploma, and began documenting Avielle’s foray into horseback riding.

    Lauren Rousseau, 30


    Lauren, 30 years old, learned the rough life of a substitute teacher the hard way. At Sandy Hook Elementary School, she was a permanent sub–a low-paying job without benefits–but it was a job she loved. Rousseau grew up in Danbury, Connecticut, and earned a bachelor’s degree from the University of Connecticut and a master’s degree in elementary education from the University of Bridgeport, but her dreams of full-time teaching were hampered by the struggling economy. The Sandy Hook job wasn’t perfect, but it was enough for her to celebrate, her father stated. “Oh she called so excited, she was just on cloud nine,” recalled her father, Gilles Rousseau, a photographer from Southbury, Conn. “She had such big plans. She would just go on and on about the kids.” The icing on the cake was that Dawn Hochsprung, the school principal who died trying to stop the gunman, was a family friend–Hochsprung’s husband, George, had been Rousseau’s teacher. Rousseau worked a second job at Starbucks and lived with her mother to help make ends meet. In her spare time, she loved her cat and Broadway shows; she and her boyfriend enjoyed going to parties and Yankees games together and had discussed marriage. Near its end, Rousseau’s life took another happy turn–Sandy Hook hired her full-time last month. “I’ll take some comfort that the last year of her life was her happiest,” the elder Ms. Rousseau said on Saturday. After years of substitute teaching and picking up shifts at Starbucks and a catering company, Sandy Hook Elementary hired her full-time just last month. It was her dream job, the Washington Post reported. “She was still a little girl at 30,” her father has stated. “She loved little kids. She was in their zone.”

    Mary Sherlach, 56, school psychologist


    Mary Sherlach had been employed at Sandy Hook Elementary since 1994; she and her husband of 31 years have two adult daughters. Sherlach’s neighbor Cathy Lucas described her as a “lovely, lovely woman.” Sherlach formerly worked as a school psychologist in Redding, North Haven and New Haven public schools. Her hobbies included gardening, theater and reading.

    Victoria Soto, 27


    Victoria Soto, a 27-year-old teacher, hid her first-grade students from the shooter and died while trying to protect them. Known to friends and family as Vicki, Soto has been described as a passionate, dedicated teacher, who acted on her instincts. Her cousin Jim Wiltsie told ABC News, “It brings peace to know that Vicki was doing what she loved, protecting the children. And in our eyes, she is a hero.”

    Benjamin Wheeler, 6


    Fate has a cruel sense of irony, a fact all too evident in six-year-old Benjamin’s case. His parents, a moved him and his nine-year-old brother Nate to Newtown from New York City in April 2011 so they could grow up in a quiet community. His father works in the film and television industry and mother is a music teacher and performer, but they believed the move was the right choice for their spirited, closely-bonded sons. “Music can happen anywhere,” his mother, Francine Wheeler, told the Newtown Bee in an interview. “We knew we wanted a piece of lawn, somewhere quiet, somewhere with good schools.” Ben thrived in his suburban settings, following his dad around the yard, helping him with chores by handing him tools, playing soccer, listening to the Beatles, participating as a Tiger Cub scout, taking swimming lessons and performing in a piano recital, all with the highest octane of energy.
    His parents, Francine and David Wheeler, described him in a statement as an “irrepressibly bright and spirited boy whose love of fun and excitement at the wonders of life and the world could rarely be contained,” and went on to say that “his rush to experience life was headlong, creative and immediate.”
    “There’s always some brave individual who goes up to the dance floor to get everybody involved,” said Rabbi Shaul Praver of Newtown’s Adath Israel synagogue. “That was Ben Wheeler.” This year, Ben had attended the temple’s Hanukkah celebration with his parents, David and Francine Wheeler. “Just delightful people,” Praver added.

    Allison Wyatt, 6

    Wyatt’s family has remained, understandably, reticent since the six-year-old’s untimely death on Friday. Wyatt has an obituary page set up on Legacy.com with only a brief sentence saying that she was killed, but many have offered condolences to a child they never knew. Those that did know her remember her as a quiet and loving little girl.
    “She was a very shy girl, she was quiet and kept to herself, but she would smile at things. If a kid did something funny, she’d be laughing,” day care teacher Kate Capellaro of All for Kids in Ridgefield told the Press-Telegram. Capellaro said Allison, who went to the center occasionally, the last time being over the summer, was well-behaved, but sometimes cried when her mother left. The Wyatts’ next door neighbor described Allison to the Connecticut Post as a “very nice person” who enjoyed gardening with her mother and was always outside in the summer.


    Read more: Remembering the Victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School Shooting | TIME.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Authority View Post
    Totally agree. I'm tired of people posting on my FB talking about "if the teachers had guns, if we had more guns, blah blah blah..." Yeah untrained teachers with pistols firing into a school of kids during a madman's rampage, that'll stop mass shootings. -_- It's right up there with "The victim's parents who say their prayers about this incident should STFU! (a stupid atheist FB friend I unfriended" and "Why should I care about dead white children, I'm black. (another idiot FB friend I had before I cussed their ass out before I deleted them). I wish people would stop piggy-backing this tragedy to spew political drivel and sociological bullshit without caring about what's most important: the victims!
    Michael Moore tweeted something along the lines...If only the first victim had been armed, she could have stopped it before it started. Kind of deflates the whole more guns argument.
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    Why should I care about dead white children, I'm black.
    Because you're human.
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    I think we should be clear here that Mr. Authority didn't say that, it was some ignoramus he used to know on facebook.
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    Oh yeah, thanks for making it clear for the skimmers. Mr A would never....
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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post

    And how does that make them the most powerful, because they landed in the top ten? Please. Big Pharma is infinitely more powerful, not to mention Agriculture. Fuck, AARP has more power than the NRA for ffs. Like this story needs more sensationalist bullshit surrounding it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    And how does that make them the most powerful, because they landed in the top ten? Please. Big Pharma is infinitely more powerful, not to mention Agriculture. Fuck, AARP has more power than the NRA for ffs. Like this story needs more sensationalist bullshit surrounding it.
    Being in the top 10 is a nice place to be if you are a group that is trying to wield influence. There are a lot of ways to measure power - annual budget, money spent, membership, and the ability to motivate your members to do something. NRA is, year in and out, one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington. Because of their membership size, and the way they leverage them, they function more like an AIPAC than a big pharma or agricultural lobbying group. Not only do Republicans tow the line at their behest - so do a lot of Democrats. You don't want to be on the NRA's naughty list.
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    But they're not "the baddest on the block" which is what that stupid fucking article was saying, but I understand your need to make it fit your own agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    But they're not "the baddest on the block" which is what that stupid fucking article was saying, but I understand your need to make it fit your own agenda.
    If I have an agenda, you'll have to explain it to me. I'm just as frustrated and perplexed about what to do as anyone else. What I'm doing right now is explaining how influential the NRA is. They spend more than 10 times the amount that handgun control lobbying groups spend. They position themselves as advocates for the rank and file gun owners of America, but collect a large amount of money from the gun industry itself, which in turns influences which issues the NRA supports. If gun and ammo sales take a hit, so does the NRA's coffers. At that point, they start to deviate from being a group supporting gun rights and more of one that supports unlimited gun sales for manufacturers.
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