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    Conn. gunman had hundreds of rounds of ammunition

    By MATT APUZZO and PAT EATON-ROBB, AP
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    NEWTOWN, Conn. — The gunman in the Connecticut shooting rampage was carrying an arsenal of hundreds of rounds of especially deadly ammunition — enough to kill just about every student in the school if given enough time, authorities said Sunday, raising the chilling possibility that the bloodbath could have been far worse.


    Adam Lanza shot himself in the head just as he heard police drawing near to the classroom where he was slaughtering helpless children, but he had more ammunition at the ready in the form of multiple, high-capacity clips each capable of holding 30 bullets.


    The disclosure on Sunday sent shudders throughout this picturesque New England community as grieving families sought to comfort each other during church services devoted to impossible questions like that of a 6-year-old girl who asked her mother: "The little children, are they with the angels?"


    With so much grieving left to do, many of Newtown's 27,000 people wondered whether life could ever return to normal. And as the workweek was set to begin, parents weighed whether to send their own children back to school.


    Gov. Dannel Malloy said the shooter decided to kill himself when he heard police closing in about 10 minutes into the attack.


    "We surmise that it was during the second classroom episode that he heard responders coming and apparently at that decided to take his own life," Malloy said on ABC's "This Week."


    Authorities said they found hundreds of unused bullets at the school, which enrolled about 670 students.


    "There was a lot of ammo, a lot of clips," said state police Lt. Paul Vance. "Certainly a lot of lives were potentially saved."


    The chief medical examiner has said the ammunition was the type designed to break up inside a victim's body and inflict the maximum amount of damage, tearing apart bone and tissue.


    By late afternoon, President Barack Obama arrived to console families and speak at a vigil in memory of the 26 teachers and schoolchildren who were killed in the second-deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.


    Newtown officials couldn't say whether Sandy Hook Elementary School, would ever reopen.


    "We're just now getting ready to talk to our son about who was killed," said Robert Licata, the father of a boy who was at the school during the shooting but escaped harm. "He's not even there yet."


    Jim Agostine, superintendent of schools in nearby Monroe, said plans were being made for students from Sandy Hook to attend classes in his town this week.
    The road ahead for Newtown was clouded with grief.


    "I feel like we have to get back to normal, but I don't know if there is normal anymore," said Kim Camputo, mother of two children, ages 5 and 10, who attend a different school. "I'll definitely be dropping them off and picking them up myself for a while."


    Also Sunday, a Connecticut official said the gunman's mother was found dead in her pajamas in bed, shot four times in the head with a .22-caliber rifle. The killer then went to the school with guns he took from his mother, got inside by breaking a window and began blasting his way through the building.


    As churches opened their doors, federal agents checked out dozens of gun stores and shooting ranges across Connecticut, chasing leads they hoped would cast light on Lanza's life.


    Investigators have offered no motive for the shooting, and police have found no letters or diaries that could shed light on it.

    School officials were discussing how to send survivors back to class, but Newtown police Lt. George Sinko said he "would find it very difficult" for students to return to the school.


    "We want to keep these kids together," he added. "They need to support each other."


    Jennifer Waters, who at 6 is the same age as many of the dead but attends another school, came to Mass at Saint Rose of Lima Roman Catholic church with lots of questions.
    "The little children — are they with the angels?" she asked her mother.


    Joan Waters assured her daughter that they were, then hushed the child as services continued with boxes of tissues placed in each pew and window sill.


    At a later Mass at St. Rose of Lima, the priest stopped midway through the service and told worshippers to leave, because someone had phoned in a threat. Police searched the church and the rectory but found nothing dangerous.


    An overflow crowd of more than 800 people packed the church where eight children will be buried this week. Lanza and his mother also attended the church. Spokesman Brian Wallace said the diocese has yet to be asked to provide funerals for either.


    In his homily, the Rev. Jerald Doyle tried to answer the question of how parishioners could find joy in a holiday season with so much sorrow.


    "You won't remember what I say, and it will become unimportant," he said. "But you will really hear deep down that word that will finally and ultimately bring peace and joy. That is the word by which we live. That is the word by which we hope. That is the word by which we love."


    The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber, a civilian version of the military's M-16 and a model commonly seen at marksmanship competitions. It's similar to the weapon used in the 2002 sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area and in a recent shopping mall shooting in Oregon.


    Versions of the AR-15 were outlawed in the United States under the 1994 assault weapons ban. That law expired in 2004, and Congress, in a nod to the political clout of the gun-rights lobby, did not renew it.


    Investigators have said they believe Adam Lanza attended Sandy Hook many years ago, but they couldn't explain why he went there Friday.
    Authorities said Lanza had no criminal history, and it was not clear whether he had a job.


    A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation, has said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's, a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness.


    People with the disorder are often highly intelligent. While they can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger's and violent behavior, experts say.
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    Wow. The thought that this could have been worse.
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    Did anyone share this link? Connecticut school shooting: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Adam Lanza's school killing spree? Friends say she believed world was on edge of collapse | Mail Online
    Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger son's school killing spree? Friends say she believed world was on edge of collapse

    • Nancy Lanza portrayed as 'survivalist' who stockpiled food, water and guns
    • She was shot four times in the head, possibly as she slept, by her son
    • Collection of guns included handguns, assault rifle and two hunting rifles
    • Son Adam was reclusive, spending most of his time in adjoining bedrooms
    • Fiercely protective mother insisted he was never left on his own
    • Fellow school pupils described him as very bright, a genius, but painfully shy
    • Moved to Sandy Hook in around 1998 but Mrs Lanza and husband divorced


    By Tom Leonard
    PUBLISHED:19:03 EST, 16 December 2012| UPDATED:21:01 EST, 16 December 2012




    Gun lover: Nancy Lanza had reportedly become 'obsessed' with guns and taught Adam how to shoot

    The mother of the loner who massacred 26 pupils and staff at a US primary school may have played a major part in his catastrophic mental breakdown, it emerged last night.
    Friends and family portrayed Adam Lanza’s mother Nancy as a paranoid ‘survivalist’ who believed the world was on the verge of violent, economic collapse.
    She is reported to have been struggling to hold herself together and had been stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her 20-year-old son in Connecticut.
    Mrs Lanza, 52, was a ‘prepper’ – so called because they are preparing for a breakdown in civilised society – who apparently became obsessed with guns and taught Adam and his older brother, Ryan, how to shoot, even taking them to local ranges.
    That backfired horrifically on Friday when Adam Lanza began his killing spree by shooting his mother dead in bed.
    He fired four bullets into her head – possibly as she slept – then took three of her guns to Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, where he killed 20 children and six staff.
    Lanza’s aunt Marsha said Nancy was ‘self reliant’ and that they talked a lot about how she was preparing for the economic meltdown.
    She said her former sister-in-law was meticulous about never leaving guns out, but made no secret of having an imposing firearm collection.


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    It included not only the two handguns and semi-automatic assault rifle used in the killings but also two traditional hunting rifles.
    She would boast about them in a local bar and also showed them off to her landscape gardener.
    ‘She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting,’ said Dan Holmes, who looked after the large garden around her rambling home. He also recalled how Mrs Lanza would go target shooting with her boys ‘pretty often’.
    Mother: Fifty-two-year-old Nancy Lanza, pictured, was preparing for the collapse of the world economy by stockpiling food, water and guns in the large home she shared with her son


    Mr Holmes revealed how Mrs Lanza – who divorced Adam’s father Peter, a wealthy senior executive at a financial services company, in 2008 – never liked people to see inside her house.
    ‘I would ring the bell on the front door and she would come out the side and meet me,’ he said. ‘It was a little weird. It’s stranger now thinking back on what happened.’
    As for her son, he was described yesterday as a ‘ghost’ – an autistic genius, according to former school fellows, but also a ‘deeply disturbed’ young man who was so withdrawn that even many of his closest relatives hadn’t set eyes on him for years.
    It emerged last night that police are trying to repair a computer hard drive which was found shattered on the floor in the killer’s bedroom but which they believe may hold vital clues to his motives.
    Friends who regularly played Mrs Lanza at a dice game said they too never managed to see the inside of her home.
    Disturbed: Adam Lanza (circled) at a school technology group. Fellow pupils called him a 'ghost'


    Baby-faced: Adam Lanza pictured during his secondary school days. His mother taught him how to shoot

    During 15 years of playing together at alternating homes, Mrs Lanza’s turn to host the game was always skipped, said Rhonda Collens.
    Fellow players and her neighbours described her as generous but reserved, a ‘nice lady’ who loved to make small talk about their gardens.
    But others noted that beneath the mellow exterior, she was highly-strung and appeared to be ‘holding herself together’.
    Like Mr Holmes, they never met Adam, a reclusive youth who had few if any friends and spent most of his time in two adjoining bedrooms in the family home.
    There he would spend hours on his computer, much of the time devoted to playing violent games.
    Neighbours said Mrs Lanza, who grew up on a New Hampshire farm, recently took time off from a job in finance to spend more time with her troubled younger son.
    Despite initial reports that she was a kindergarten teacher at the school her son attacked, she had no connection with it and was described by a neighbour as ‘just a stay-at-home mom’.

    Nancy Lanza's home in Newtown, Connecticut, was raided after 2 pm on Friday and she was found shot dead from an apparent gunshot wound to the face

    While her older son Ryan, 24, had a successful career in a New York finance house, there is no evidence that the 20-year-old killer ever had a job. And despite his addiction to the computer, he kept away from social networks and had neither a Facebook page or a Twitter account.
    Ryan Kraft, who babysat for Mrs Lanza when Adam was ten, said the boy was prone to serious temper tantrums. The fiercely protective Mrs Lanza insisted the babysitter never left Adam on his own for a moment, even to go to the lavatory.
    But he remembered her as an ‘engaged’ mother who did her best to arrange playdates for her sons.
    Marsha Lanza, the killer’s aunt, described him as a ‘nice, quiet’ and ‘very, very bright’ boy who had issues with learning.
    That verdict tallies with the accounts of fellow school pupils who said he was very bright, particularly at maths, but painfully shy.
    Catherine Urso said her son, who was at school with him, described him as ‘very thin, very remote and one of the goths’.

    Killer: Adam Lanza, 20, shot his teacher mother before driving to her elementary school and shooting 26 people including 20 children

    Kate Leen, who was at school with him in their early teens, added: ‘You would say ‘‘hi’’ and he would say ‘‘hi’’ back but he didn’t give you a lot to work with. He wasn’t exactly welcoming.’
    Alex Israel, who was in his class at Newtown High School, said she was convinced he was a ‘genius’, adding: ‘He was always different – keeping to himself, fidgeting and very quiet. His parents – particularly his mother – reportedly drove him hard to succeed.’
    Others recalled that he carried a black briefcase when everyone else had backpacks, joined a technology club, cementing his reputation as one of the school nerds, and declined to be photographed for the school yearbook.
    His school years came to an abrupt end when his mother had a dispute with local education officials and ended up having her son home-schooled.
    The Lanzas moved to Sandy Hook in around 1998 but Mrs Lanza and her husband divorced ten years later amid rumours that their difficult younger son had put a heavy strain on their marriage.
    She had no real need to work again after reportedly extracting $200,000 a year in support from her husband.

    Traumatized students were seen being led out of the school crying and holding hands


    Disbelief: The families of victims grieve near Sandy Hook Elementary School

    It appears she was not only estranged from her ex-spouse but also possibly from her older son. Before he was questioned by police over his brother’s crime, Ryan Lanza claimed he had not seen Adam since 2010.
    Mrs Lanza’s brother, a former police officer named James Champion, said he hadn’t seen his younger nephew in eight years.
    Police say a member of Adam’s family – probably his brother – has told them he suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism.
    Experts have insisted the condition, while prompting the sufferer to withdraw into his own world, would not be responsible on its own for making him go on a homicidal spree.
    That said, the experts note that if he had mental problems, these, combined with years of social isolation, inadequacy and the easy availability of an arsenal of firearms, could have been a recipe for disaster.




    Read more: Connecticut school shooting: Did paranoid, gun-crazed mother trigger Adam Lanza's school killing spree? Friends say she believed world was on edge of collapse | Mail Online
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    And Facebook is really pissing me off too. It seems worse today than yesterday. What I can't understand is how people are so unwilling to have limits placed on the types of guns and ammunition they can own (because this takes away their "freedom"), yet are perfectly fine with having their schools policed by a person with a gun who they do not know at all (where is the freedom in that?). It makes me feel ill.
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    Wannabe copycat. Chicago Tribune

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    not sure if anyone has shared this yet.

    http://www.salon.com/2012/12/16/anon..._picket_plans/

    Anonymous hits Westboro Baptist Church over Sandy Hook picket plans

    Hackers publish private information about church members following news that it would picket the Newtown school

    The ever-hateful Westboro Baptist Church has not failed to deliver in the wake of the Newtown school massacre. The Church, notorious for picketing the funerals of fallen troops with “God Hates Fags” placards, announced Saturday that they would picket Sandy Hook elementary school, where 20 children and six adults were shot dead Friday. Tweets from the Phelps family suggest they believe the horrors in Connecticut are a punishment from God for gay marriage.
    Hacker collective Anonymous was swift to respond, releasing private information of Westboro members including email addresses, phone numbers and home addresses. This video, decrying the church for spreading “seeds of hatred” was also released. It warns, “We will destroy you. We are coming.”



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    So obviously, the mother knew he had issues, considering no ones laid eyes on this kid in years or have even been in the home. And she did nothing but create a recipe for a massacre.
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    I agree that gun control is needed but in view of so many spree killings that have occurred in Europe where guns are better controlled I think we often overlook the sheer size of the US. I mean, you guys definitely don't have a monopoly on psychos. I'd be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of school shootings and other spree killings in the US and in Europe. I think in terms of multi-casualty sprees they would be pretty comparable.
    What if Superman is psychotic and everyone can see that he's Clark Kent but they just play along not to set him off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by louiswinthorpe111 View Post
    the world is not ending and Jesus is not coming back, and there will be no zombie apocalypse. Jeesh.
    But I spend all my money now!


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    I just read those assholes at Westboro church plan on picketing the funerals. They need to be stopped!
    How how how????? A church picketing at the funeral of children. God will be impressed, for sure.
    Where in the bible does it say 'You must love your gun more then your neighbor'?


    This story is so heartbreaking, I get tears in my eyes thinking about those children and the parents. My god the parents.

    I cannot comprehend how they can spread stories that were not checked especially naming people that were not guilty.
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    I live 30 minutes from Newtown. Today was a tough day to put your kid on a bus. Everyone is afraid of copycats. Yesterday, one town away from me, a student posted a threat against his school and was arrested. It was probably just a kid fucking around, but everyone is jumpy. I've heard most schools are going to have police presence in some form for the next week just to ease parents minds. My daughter's school has a full time officer on the grounds anyway, and is literally across the street from a police station, but still you worry.

    Last night my daughter was asking a bunch of questions. She wasn't afraid to go to school... she was more worried about a shooter coming to our home. Where would we hide? Can we build a secret room? Do they make bulletproof curtains? Then last night she ended up in our bed because she had a nightmare that her school collapsed and she caught on fire. Naturally this morning she didn't want to go. I promised her she would be safe. She said, "you can't promise that mom."

    This whole situation is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivia View Post
    Won't happen. I'm so furious right now I'm almost choking. This shit has to stop, but it won't.
    This shit won't stop. There will be more. Many drugs are illegal but when fuckers want them, they get them - even if they have to manufacture their own. They will do the same with guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    It was bothering me that they had released a name of shooter and said his mom was a teacher and that all students in her class were killed. I wonder how many family members heard that reported and made the connection that Mrs Lanza was the teacher of their family member. No names should be released until they know all families have been notified.
    Exactly. The media is so fucking irresponsible! It's all about the "breaking story" and getting the jump on their competitors and just look at what they've done! Releasing all this incorrect information to the public.
    Quote Originally Posted by shedevilang View Post
    omg I heard about this at school from another sub but didn't know any details. This is insane who the hell wants to kill a bunch of babies.
    People who are mentally unstable.
    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    This is just so,so sad. Kindergartners are some of the most adorable people on earth. These parents will be shattered and there is not much we can do to offer comfort. How they will live through this night, I do not know. God help them.
    Amen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fly_On_TheWall View Post
    Like a man said on CNN,when the time comes to talk about Gun control, this will be a memory for them.It's got to be done while this is fresh in our minds or this will happen again and it may be worse.
    I don't mean to ruffle feathers but maybe, just maybe, this day could have avoided by acting 5, 10 or even 2 yrs ago.
    The thing is this: people are already armed. How to unarm the masses, that is a question that will get more people killed. People will start randomly reporting their guns as stolen just so nobody can get them. Plus, hunting rifles are way easier to get. This is Amurrica, my brothers started getting their first hunting guns when they were around 8 years old.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brookie View Post
    God, what a sad day. What a sad, sad day. Kills his mother, sprays the kids in her school with bullets. I will never be able to imagine the grief that that town is experiencing tonight - the families of the kids, the teachers, the entire town. And when you think it can't happen to you or where you are - guess again. Sigh.
    Yeah, its a fucked up world we live in.
    Quote Originally Posted by A*O View Post
    And the common denominator is............. Angry, unstable young men with easily/legally obtained firearms.
    Well, he did get his hands on a gun and then he killed his mother and took the rest of those guns to the school... I don't know if I want to say that was "easy" or "legal". Don't take that the wrong way - I support tighter gun restrictions but I just don't see that shit happening. Again, this is America... I grew up with at least one gun tucked right behind the front door. If you made it past the front door, my father had a .270 and a .22 and a 12 gauge and a 20/20, etc. I have 5 brothers, they all hunted as children. They all owned guns PRIOR to being 13 years old - FOR HUNTING! Guns are so glamourized... shit, they were usually Christmas presents when we were kids!
    Quote Originally Posted by Brookie View Post
    It's being reported now that the gunman is, in fact, Adam Lanza not Ryan Lanza.
    Right? Asshole media really got the jump on that, didn't they?
    Quote Originally Posted by SHELLEE View Post
    I can't stop thinking of those poor parents.
    I keep picturing their homes with their Christmas trees up and decorated... those poor dead baby's Christmas presents under the tree and their broken-hearted parents walking in to see that after they've identified their child. LITERALLY makes me weep for what this world is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brookie View Post
    The common denominator in gun killings is the guns. You can't pinpoint who's going to use them - plenty of "mentally unbalanced" people go thru life and never kill anyone. You CAN take guns out of people's hands though - how else are you going to do it? Reading about a mass killing once a month, and murder/suicides from professional athletes is way past getting old.
    How you gonna unarm the people who already have guns?
    Quote Originally Posted by KrisNine View Post
    Oh, I agree. I was just saying as long as guns are legal, the person who purchases them and brings them into their home should have some responsibility. This is a case where the mother legally purchased these guns and brought them into a home with her son, who seems to have been known to have mental problems. I hate guns. Can't stand them.
    Looks like that mother paid the price for bringing those guns into her home.
    Quote Originally Posted by fgg View Post
    i heard on the news that the shooter's grandmother lives in florida and there are deputies at her house for protection. WTF would anyone want to harm the grandmother over what this mentally disturbed person did 2k miles away??

    i get so torn up each time there's an update on the news. i just can't fathom what these families are going through.
    Because of the whole mob mentality. Surely, the grandmother, the father, the brother, the mother, the friends of this murdering SOB bears some responsibility? no?
    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
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    NEWTOWN AND THE MADNESS OF GUNS
    Posted by Adam Gopnik





    After the mass gun murders at Virginia Tech, I wrote about the unfathomable image of cell phones ringing in the pockets of the dead kids, and of the parents trying desperately to reach them. And I said (as did many others), This will go on, if no one stops it, in this manner and to this degree in this country alone—alone among all the industrialized, wealthy, and so-called civilized countries in the world. There would be another, for certain.


    Then there were—many more, in fact—and when the latest and worst one happened, in Aurora, I (and many others) said, this time in a tone of despair, that nothing had changed. And I (and many others) predicted that it would happen again, soon. And that once again, the same twisted voices would say, Oh, this had nothing to do with gun laws or the misuse of the Second Amendment or anything except some singular madman, of whom America for some reason seems to have a particularly dense sample.


    And now it has happened again, bang, like clockwork, one might say: Twenty dead children—babies, really—in a kindergarten in a prosperous town in Connecticut. And a mother screaming. And twenty families told that their grade-schooler had died. After the Aurora killings, I did a few debates with advocates for the child-killing lobby—sorry, the gun lobby—and, without exception and with a mad vehemence, they told the same old lies: it doesn’t happen here more often than elsewhere (yes, it does); more people are protected by guns than killed by them (no, they aren’t—that’s a flat-out fabrication); guns don’t kill people, people do; and all the other perverted lies that people who can only be called knowing accessories to murder continue to repeat, people who are in their own way every bit as twisted and crazy as the killers whom they defend. (That they are often the same people who pretend outrage at the loss of a single embryo only makes the craziness still crazier.)


    So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.


    The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children. They have made a clear moral choice: that the comfort and emotional reassurance they take from the possession of guns, placed in the balance even against the routine murder of innocent children, is of supreme value. Whatever satisfaction gun owners take from their guns—we know for certain that there is no prudential value in them—is more important than children’s lives. Give them credit: life is making moral choices, and that’s a moral choice, clearly made.


    All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.


    Photograph by Douglas Healey/Getty.


    See our full coverage of the Newtown shooting.


    Read more: Newtown and the Madness of Guns : The New Yorker
    and a big "fuck you" to the writer of that article. I own a gun and I'm an acessory to no fucking murder of children. These people think that by making such statements that they are going to what? shame people into what? It's bullshit.
    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    I wonder too if some of the bad reporting is because of the good job law enforcement seems to be doing keeping a lid on details until they feel it's time. The Lt who has been giving updates has been pretty tight lipped and adamant about this being an open investigation. I think he's done a good job so far but that leaves the media to get "stories" from any source they can. Of course, they could just wait for the facts but that's not going to happen.
    It's sensational journalism at it's worst! And, honestly, I think that type of shit plays a big part in these shootings.
    Quote Originally Posted by Waterslide View Post
    The bad reporting on this is driving me crazy. Was that the guy who was originally handcuffed? He'd been at the school for some reason when he heard the shots and smelled sulfur, then went racing to his kid's classroom. The police stopped him only because they didn't know who he was, but thankfully his name got dragged through the mud anyway.



    A while back I fell into a Youtube hole and found all the prepper videos and some of those people (most) were completely insane. I knew there were people who stockpiled water and batteries in their basement, but I didn't realize the fortresses people are building. And I had the feeling that I was only on the extreme fringes of the insanity.




    I did not know that was Victoria Soto's sister. I kept seeing that picture and I felt terrible for her. Her grief and fear are palpable and I felt like I shouldn't be looking at it. I also had the irrational thought that I hoped she'd find whoever she was looking for.



    I never thought I'd say this, but maybe we need to make mental health screenings mandatory for kids just like we do with medical physicals. I'm not against kids going to psychiatrists when they need to, but sending all kids seems like it could be overly invasive and it could open the doors to kids being stigmatized about inconsequential things. I guess I don't like the idea of a permanent record, but maybe it would help catch the kids that need extra help.
    That picture is beyond invasive! These people are entitled to their feelings and emotions and the media is perverting their raw emotions for goddamned ratings!
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    But I spend all my money now!



    How how how????? A church picketing at the funeral of children. God will be impressed, for sure.
    Where in the bible does it say 'You must love your gun more then your neighbor'?


    This story is so heartbreaking, I get tears in my eyes thinking about those children and the parents. My god the parents.

    I cannot comprehend how they can spread stories that were not checked especially naming people that were not guilty.
    I refuse to think of that shithole as a church. They are nothing but dirty, homophobic, racist, predatory assholes!


    I sat with a girlfriend and a bartender (because I happened to be at my local watering hole when this shit broke loose on the news Friday) and watched this horror unfold. I sat and watched in disbelief as they misidentified Ryan Lanza as the murderer, as they claimed the mother was a teacher, as they claimed the father was dead ... I watched as people on facebook couldn't get the name of the town correct and I watched those same assholes on facebook talk about how Ryan Lanza had done this terrible thing. I am for gun control and I am for doing something about the media in these situations. This is just horrible. Children are dead- as are some very heroic adults. When these tragic events happen, people look for someone to pin the blame on. The brother, the mother, the father, video games, shitty musicians - ANYONE will do, right? Sometimes people are crazy and they do crazy shit. You can tighten the gun control laws, but that won't stop this shit - not now. Too many people are armed. Hell, I know of people (at least 4) who have well over 100,000 rounds of ammunition! People thinking Obama is the anti-Christ, that he's gonna outlaw guns, that someone is watching them, that they NEED this shit for their own protection. None of them have any mental illness (that I know of), all of them LEGALLY bought the weapons (this IS Texas and they have gunshows here where people go and buy goddamned assault rifles), they keep their weapons in walk-in fireproof safes. These people exist - among us, not on the fringe of society. They vote, they work, they drink in the same bars, shop in the same grocery stores... you'll never unarm those folks because the logic is "Why would I give up my guns so that ONLY the criminals are armed?". I'm curious to see what's going to happen, because something HAS to happen now, right?
    I bought a gun in July... do you know how fast I got that gun in my hand from entering the shop to paying, to getting it in my hands? MAYBE 10 minutes.. and that DOES include the FBI background check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mel1973 View Post
    Hell, I know of people (at least 4) who have well over 100,000 rounds of ammunition! People thinking Obama is the anti-Christ, that he's gonna outlaw guns, that someone is watching them, that they NEED this shit for their own protection. None of them have any mental illness (that I know of), all of them LEGALLY bought the weapons (this IS Texas and they have gunshows here where people go and buy goddamned assault rifles), they keep their weapons in walk-in fireproof safes. These people exist - among us, not on the fringe of society.
    This. This is what I don't understand. "I need a gun to protect my family." From fucking what? This isn't the prairie. The paranoia is mind boggling to me. Why does someone need 100K rounds of ammo? If you need that for hunting, you need a new hobby, because you are a shitty hunter.

    So instead, we have a bunch of armed, paranoid fuckers running around thinking because they are packing heat, they may be able to save the world. Lanza's mother was more worried about the ecomonic collaspe than she was about getting some sort of mental assistance for her reculse, anti-social son that she kept hidden from the world. It's this paranoia and mindset that is just as much responsible for the killings as the guns were. The guns just made it easier.

    For the record, I'm not some anti-gun freak. I grew up with guns, as my dad loves them, and taught me to shoot when I was 12. My job was to re-fill the casings, so I know about the components and how bullets are built. My dad had to keep guns off site, as my mom wouldn't allow them in the house. Looking back, can I say with certainty that there wasn't a gun in the house? No. BTW, my dad's not a hunter. Never hunted once. He just likes guns. Goes skeet shooting, target practice, etc.... He never spouted any of the talk, "I need a gun to protect myself."

    I don't have a gun, because I don't really feel the need to. I don't think anyone's "watching" me (I think people that suffer from this problem are usually doing something wrong), I don't have a big fear of intruders, and I generally don't think I'm going to be assaulted in public. Sure it can happen, but I'm not going to obessess over it. I kinda think when it's your time to go, it's your time to go, and nothing, not even carrying a gun is going to stop that.

    I don't feel that there's a need for the general public to own assault weapons. I don't think there's a need for clips holding 30 rounds. I think more comprehensive background checks (more than just criminal) is a good thing. I think there needs to be a national database of serial numbers, so these can be tracked. I think gun classes are a good thing. Would any of this prevented this tragedy? No.

    But as a nation, we are failing our kids, in more ways than one. And this is what has to change. But I don't have any clear answers on how.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    I live 30 minutes from Newtown. Today was a tough day to put your kid on a bus. Everyone is afraid of copycats. Yesterday, one town away from me, a student posted a threat against his school and was arrested. It was probably just a kid fucking around, but everyone is jumpy. I've heard most schools are going to have police presence in some form for the next week just to ease parents minds. My daughter's school has a full time officer on the grounds anyway, and is literally across the street from a police station, but still you worry.

    Last night my daughter was asking a bunch of questions. She wasn't afraid to go to school... she was more worried about a shooter coming to our home. Where would we hide? Can we build a secret room? Do they make bulletproof curtains? Then last night she ended up in our bed because she had a nightmare that her school collapsed and she caught on fire. Naturally this morning she didn't want to go. I promised her she would be safe. She said, "you can't promise that mom."

    This whole situation is insane.
    Fellow Nutmegger here. My kids attend High School. They are not afraid to go to school but will not be surprised if hoax occurs at some point this week. A very good friend is an elementary school art teacher...as she is exposed to all ages, she was concerned with how to handle each individual grade and child. The nature of the art room is less structured and allows for chit chat. She is constantly surprised at the subject matter that comes up in class.

    A piece of advice I thought was good was to tell your children "this never happened to mommy school, this never happened to daddys school, (list cousins, aunts, uncles, etc) . All the growns ups are doing what they can to keep school safe"

    Hope your daughter processes it all and can move forward.

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    My oldest learned of some of the more grisly details of our family friend's murder at school and Sunday school from other children. I do not envy the task these teachers have before them
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    I walked my son (8) to school this morning. He and my daughter (9) both know very little about the shooting except that a crazy guy shot up the school. When we got to the building, there were hundreds of kids running around us - many of them the same age as the kids in Newtown. They were basically talking with each other about the holidays, etc. It was very easy to almost forget what had happened. The only thing that kind of snapped me back to the story was that the Principal seemed a lot more tense this morning and was going back and forth between entrances and talking with teachers.

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    just read that one of the little boys who died (his funeral is today) had a twin sister......she survived, she was in another classroom. poor little girl, you know her brother had to be one of her closest friends. everytime i think i am done crying, i read something else and my heart just breaks all over again. these poor little babies.
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