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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    How about all the dead little girls around the world, killed by faceless airborne drone missiles.

    I wonder if he gets choked up about that. Nah. They're just sandmonkeys, not real people like 'Murricans.
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    How amazing is that a leader can leave you filled with hope and the desire to be the best person you can be rather than whipping you up into frenzies of hate?

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    Obama's speech was good, but the audience was outrageous. STFU with the whooping and cheering, it's supposed to be a memorial service. Those people acted deranged, WTF stop acting like you're excited to be there.

    I thought that one speaker looked like he was about to holler, "Hellooo, Tucson!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fly_On_TheWall View Post
    I agree. It was one of his best. He was speaking from his heart. When he talked about the little girl who died, he seemed to want to break down, but he held on. He never blamed anyone. It was a great speech. I'm sure FOX news will pick it apart though.
    Not sure what fox did but after the memorial I was watching msnbc and I guess they didn't get the memo. They started on palin again and played all of the clips of things she said and clips from jay leno. Ok...enough. the pres said let it rest so let's give it a rest. Every body every news channel. Enough.
    It inspired me. I fall short daily but. I want to fall less. We should all try to bed a little kinder, be more encouraging, not so quick to judge and be angry. Lift each other up rather than tear each other down. We don't have to jump on the band wagon just because we can.it obviously serves no purpose except for some...maybe it builds themselves up in some weird way. I dnt need it. Just ready for some peace
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    I think the audience was mostly made up of college students who didn't know how to behave. They were in a sports stadium, so they acted accordingly. Probably most of them have never been to a memorial service before. So they whooped and hollered like they were at a basketball game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoAmI View Post
    I think the audience was mostly made up of college students who didn't know how to behave. They were in a sports stadium, so they acted accordingly. Probably most of them have never been to a memorial service before. So they whooped and hollered like they were at a basketball game.
    I agree. They were supportiein thier own little noisy way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cupcake View Post
    Not sure what fox did but after the memorial I was watching msnbc and I guess they didn't get the memo. They started on palin again and played all of the clips of things she said and clips from jay leno. Ok...enough. the pres said let it rest so let's give it a rest. Every body every news channel. Enough.
    It inspired me. I fall short daily but. I want to fall less. We should all try to bed a little kinder, be more encouraging, not so quick to judge and be angry. Lift each other up rather than tear each other down. We don't have to jump on the band wagon just because we can.it obviously serves no purpose except for some...maybe it builds themselves up in some weird way. I dnt need it. Just ready for some peace
    The Lawrence O'Donnell piece, I flipped to it, but thought it was a little out of place and went back to Top Chef. From what I saw and if I had to guess, it was taped before the memorial service.

    If I take anything from the President's speech (for myself) it's that you can affect your community. Small changes at home can reverberate and grow. I think we take too much of a top down approach to too many things, if we start taking an aggressive bottom up approach, we may actually see the changes we all we seem to want.
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    Great, heartfelt, speech. Especially the part at the end:

    I believe we can be better. Those who died here, those who saved lives here --they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us. I believe that for all our imperfections, we are full of decency and goodness, and that the forces that divide us are not as strong as those that unite us.

    That's what I believe, in part because that's what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed. Imagine: here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that someday she too might play a part in shaping her nation's future. She had been elected to her student council; she saw public service as something exciting, something hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.

    I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she imagined it. All of us -- we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I find his speech hypocritical when he's firing unmanned drone missiles at villages all over the world.

    And no one gives out free t-shirts at those people's memorial services.

    Only in America is a memorial service treated with the same gravity as a sporting event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimmlok View Post
    I find his speech hypocritical when he's firing unmanned drone missiles at villages all over the world.

    Pretty words, lying president.
    Yep. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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    Don't know if this was posted but here's a really touching piece on Gifford opening her eyes for the first time:

    Sen. Gillibrand, Rep. Wasserman Schultz Describe Giffords Opening Her Eyes | TPMDC

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    You can't blame that behavior on college students. I was in college on 9/11 and all the students knew how to act at memorial services and were hushed and respectful when people were making speeches.

    There were a lot of memorials after Columbine at high schools, and even those younger kids managed to be respectful.
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    i didn't think the people at the memorial were out of line. I think they wanted to show the families their support. People grieve in different ways.
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    Critics Assail Cheering and T-Shirts at Obama Tucson Speech



    There has been relatively little criticism of the context of President Obama's speech last night calling for civility in the wake of the Tucson tragedy - in fact, conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called it perhaps "the finest moment of his presidency." But some are pointing to both the response of his audience and the fact that t-shirts were handed out to cast the memorial as an inappropriately political event.

    T-shirts reading "Together We Thrive: Tucson & America" were handed out to attendees at the event, prompting conservative pundit Michelle Malkin to complain: "Isn't the churning of the instant messaging machine a bit, well, unseemly? Can't the Democrat political stage managers give it a break just once?"
    Pointing to the fact that the slogan appeared on various items at the event, Malkin wrote, "Yes, the Tucson massacre is being branded." She later wrote that she had been informed that the University Of Arizona had been responsible for the t-shirts and other items, but added: "Given the Obama White House's meticulous attention to stage prop details, however, I would say the odds of involvement by Axelrod/Plouffe & Co. are high."
    Added Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit, sarcastically: "Every memorial needs a special T-shirt. Doesn't it?"
    Also coming in for criticism was the boisterous crowd at the event, which included 14,000 in the arena and another 10,000 in the overflow room, many of them college students. While the president was cheered wildly, some in attendance booed Arizona Republican governor Jan Brewer, prompting complaints that the event was more partisan pep rally than solemn remembrance.
    In the New York Post, John Podhoretz wrote that "the president's stunning speech was marred by the feeling of the evening that surrounded it and the appalling behavior of the crowd in Tucson listening to it."
    "It was as though no one in the arena but the immediate mourners and sufferers had the least notion of displaying respectful solemnity in the face of breathtaking loss and terrifying evil," he added. "... The tone of the event came to resemble a pep rally, no matter the monstrous fact of the six dead and the many injured."
    President Barack Obama speaks at the Tucson memorial service, Jan. 12, 2011.
    (Credit: CBS)
    "Surrounding a clearly stricken President Obama were the devastated survivors, mourning family members, and heart-broken friends of the lost or wounded," added Melissa Clouthier. "They stoically sat in the sea of frivolity with their pain written on their faces. The contrast was jarring to watch. It felt wildly inappropriate. It was rather embarrassing in a skin-crawling, get-me-out-of-here way."
    Conservative pundit Tammy Bruce called the event "Massacre Rally Theatre" that was "a complete abomination." The headline at Fox Nation was: "Disrespectful? Memorial Sounded Like Campaign Rally in Tucson"
    National Review's Rich Lowry, who thought the speech was "magnificent," nonetheless wrote, "The pep-rally atmosphere was inappropriate and disconcerting."
    White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked in his briefing Tuesday about "the pep rally aspect and tone of the event."
    He responded that "part of the grieving process is celebrating the lives of those that were lost, and celebrating the miracles of those that survived."
    "I read the speech several times, and thought that there wouldn't be a lot of applause, if any. I think many of us thought that," he continued. "But I think there was a celebration, again, of the lives of those that have impacted, not just at that grocery store, but throughout the country. And I think that if that is part of the healing process, then that's a good thing."
    Gibbs was also asked why the speech was delivered in an arena instead of a smaller venue or church.
    "I would point you to the university on that," he said. "And I think it's important to understand, we were invited to and accepted quite happily the invitation of the university. I think having that many people there and being able to include people from the community was again was and is an important part of that healing process."
    Tucson Republican Mayor Bob Walkup told Politico that the mood of the rally was appropriate.
    "If there was one thing that was appropriate, it was cheering," he said. "I've been in the hospital, and the people that are healing, they want to hear people cheer."



    Critics Assail Cheering and T-Shirts at Obama Tucson Speech - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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