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    We should just do away with jury trials. We could all sit in front of our TV's and watch, and then vote guilty or not guilty. We could call it American Inquisition. We could follow it up with special one hour televised mass executions. The media likes to be judge, jury and executioner anyway, so let's just make it official.


    Despite the media trial of Anthony, the burden of proof in criminal cases lies with the prosecution. And when the prosecution cannot make a case beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused must go free. That is one of the bedrock principles of our justice system. As much as I think she did it, I'm happy that 12 people weren't willing to send someone to their death on a case that wasn't proven. ( And maybe if they hadn't gone for death the jury might have voted differently- sending someone to jail is a lot different than sending someone to death- but that's another issue) The system worked the way it's supposed to. It is better one hundred guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer- that's our mantra.
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    Threatening the jurors is ridiculous! What on earth is that gonna solve? Sod all.

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    Despite the media trial of Anthony, the burden of proof in criminal cases lies with the prosecution. And when the prosecution cannot make a case beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused must go free. That is one of the bedrock principles of our justice system. As much as I think she did it, I'm happy that 12 people weren't willing to send someone to their death on a case that wasn't proven. ( And maybe if they hadn't gone for death the jury might have voted differently- sending someone to jail is a lot different than sending someone to death- but that's another issue) The system worked the way it's supposed to. It is better one hundred guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer- that's our mantra.
    The jury did not have to sentence Casey to death. I don't know if, in Florida, juries or the judge decide the penalty in first degree cases, but if's the jury, they could have found her guilty of first degree murder but rejected the death penalty and voted for life without parole. If the judge decides penalty, the jury had the option of finding Casey guilty of second degree murder, third degree murder, aggravated manslaughter, manslaughter, aggravated child abuse or child abuse. From the judge's instructions to the jury:
    In considering the evidence, you should consider the possibility that although the evidence may not convince you that the defendant committed the main crimes of which she is accused, there may be evidence that she committed other acts that would constitute a lesser included crime. Therefore, if you decide that the main accusation has not been proved beyond a reasonable doubt, you will next need to decide if the defendant is guilty of any lesser included crime. The lesser crimes indicated in the definition of First Degree Murder are: Second Degree Murder, Manslaughter or Third Degree Felony Murder. The lesser crime indicated in the definition of Aggravated Child Abuse is Child Abuse.
    So acting like the jury was hogtied and executing Casey Anthony - or even convicting her of first degree murder - was their only choice is a fallacy. As mentioned at the time, even if you believe that the state didn't prove first degree murder, that still doesn't explain why the jury didn't vote on any of the lesser charges, as instructed to do. The jury had options if they really felt that Casey was guilty but not sure she committed premeditated murder. From the judges instructions:
    "If you find Caylee Marie Anthony was killed by Casey Marie Anthony, you will then consider the circumstances surrounding the killing in deciding if the killing was Murder in the First Degree or was Murder in the Second Degree or Manslaughter or Third Degree Felony Murder or whether the killing was excusable or resulted from justifiable use of deadly force."
    (Emphasis mine.) Here's the judge's instruction on aggravated manslaughter:
    "To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
    1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
    2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.
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    The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie Anthony.
    I will now define "culpable negligence" for you. Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence. But culpable negligence is more than a failure to use ordinary care toward others. In order for negligence to be culpable, it must be gross and flagrant. Culpable negligence is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard of human life, or of the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of a conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness or recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard of the safety and welfare of the public, or such an indifference to the rights of others as is equivalent to an intentional violation of such rights. The negligent act or omission must have been committed with an utter disregard for the safety of others. Culpable negligence is consciously doing an act or following a course of conduct that the defendant must have known, or reasonably should have known, was likely to cause death or great bodily injury.
    If you find the defendant guilty of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, you must then determine whether the State has further proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Caylee Marie Anthony was a child whose death was caused by the neglect of Casey Marie Anthony, a caregiver. “Child” means any person under the age of 18 years.
    “Caregiver” means a parent, adult household member, or other person responsible for a child’s welfare.
    “Neglect of a child” means:
    1. A caregiver’s failure or omission to provide a child with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain a child’s physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the child. Repeated conduct or a single incident or omission by a caregiver that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, a substantial risk of death of a child may be considered in determining neglect."
    (Emphasis mine).
    The argument that the state failed to properly convince this specific jury because the jurors were noble people of such high standard and careful consideration would hold more water if the jurors themselves weren't giving interviews. IMO, a lot of people would tolerate the jury's decision a lot better if the jurors had carefully examined the evidence during deliberations, hadn't acted the way they did during trial and after, and - for me - hadn't apparently willfully ignored the judge's instructions and the basic rules of jury conduct. A couple of jurors are claiming that they thought Casey was guilty but that the state didn't prove premeditation/first degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Fine. But why didn't they follow the instructions and convict on one of the lesser charges then? Their job wasn't to consider only whether Casey Anthony was guilty of first degree murder. Their hands weren't tied: if they thought she was to blame for Caylee's death but didn't believe there was premeditation proved beyond a reasonable doubt, they had several options to choose from in their instructions.
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    The evidence did not support it. Sure it's likely that she killed her child but if it cannot be proven, you cannot lock someone up based on your gut feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNoRehab View Post
    The jury did not have to sentence Casey to death. I don't know if, in Florida, juries or the judge decide the penalty in first degree cases, but if's the jury, they could have found her guilty of first degree murder but rejected the death penalty and voted for life without parole. If the judge decides penalty, the jury had the option of finding Casey guilty of second degree murder, third degree murder, aggravated manslaughter, manslaughter, aggravated child abuse or child abuse. From the judge's instructions to the jury:

    In Florida the jury recommends. But it doesn't mean anything in this trial, because the jury felt the state didn't prove it's case for murder. They didn't even feel manslaughter was proven. The simple fact is that these 12 people didn't feel she had been proven responsible for the child's death.

    No one here, or on any other web board was on the jury. No one knows what they thought, felt, discussed in deliberation, etc. The whole lynch mob mentality around this case is getting ridiculous. People get away with crimes every day. It's part the justice system, going back even further than Blackstone.
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    It really pisses me off that she basically gets witness protection! I got so wrapped up in this case and I've had to back away since the verdict because I'm still so disgusted by it all. (And yeah, I've read all the articles as to why the jury went with NG, doesn't make me change my feelings)

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    In Florida the jury recommends. But it doesn't mean anything in this trial, because the jury felt the state didn't prove it's case for murder. They didn't even feel manslaughter was proven. The simple fact is that these 12 people didn't feel she had been proven responsible for the child's death.

    No one here, or on any other web board was on the jury. No one knows what they thought, felt, discussed in deliberation, etc. The whole lynch mob mentality around this case is getting ridiculous. People get away with crimes every day. It's part the justice system, going back even further than Blackstone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNoRehab View Post
    Their job wasn't to consider only whether Casey Anthony was guilty of first degree murder. Their hands weren't tied: if they thought she was to blame for Caylee's death but didn't believe there was premeditation proved beyond a reasonable doubt, they had several options to choose from in their instructions.
    ITA. And that is why it's so maddening thinking she was not convicted of at least manslaughter or child abuse.

    It's crazy to me how not 1 person on that jury could not see that her both her actions and inactions were grossly negligent and COULD have led to her daughters death (manslaughter). 31 days? Including not watching over her before she "drowned in the pool" and grandpa "found her" (the defenese's "theory' which wasn't even evidence).

    Please.

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    Does anyone have video of Casey's reaction to them finding Caylee's body? I heard there was a video around, but I haven't seen it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmmdee View Post
    ITA. And that is why it's so maddening thinking she was not convicted of at least manslaughter or child abuse.

    It's crazy to me how not 1 person on that jury could not see that her both her actions and inactions were grossly negligent and COULD have led to her daughters death (manslaughter). 31 days? Including not watching over her before she "drowned in the pool" and grandpa "found her" (the defenese's "theory' which wasn't even evidence).

    Please.
    They probably threw out the drowning theory since there was no evidence to support it.

    To find her negligent for not reporting the child missing, pretty much says Casey didn't do it. If they think she did do it that's kind of a catch-22, no? I'm wondering if that was the logic.

    (sorry if the above doesn't make sense, it does in my head)

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    Default It’s a Terrible Time to Be Named Casey Anthony






    This Guy Just Learned That It’s a Terrible Time to Be Named Casey Anthony


    It shouldn't be a surprise that Casey Anthony is getting torched on Facebook. It is, however, a surprise that the Casey Anthony receiving the hate isn't the acquitted baby killer from Florida but rather an African American male from Pennsylvania.

    Your name is your name...until it's not. And Casey Anthony has hijacked her name and is making life miserable for anyone who shares it. Ever since the jury ruled Casey Anthony not guilty of killing her child, the Casey Anthony from Pennsylvania has been bombarded with hundreds of Facebook messages, posts, friend requests all commenting on the case. As you can imagine, the comments weren't exactly nice and some even veered towards death threats. Casey Anthony from Pennsylvania says:
    "I'm sending back [messages]. Excuse me, I'm not the Casey Anthony you think"
    And because he had listed his phone number on his Facebook Profile, the phone calls started ringing in. It got so bad that he just wouldn't use his phone anymore.

    And to top off this whole unfortunate situation? Two of his kids are also named Casey Anthony.





    Watch the news report at link
    Black male Casey Anthony receives threats on Facebook

    This Guy Just Learned That It's a Terrible Time to Be Named Casey Anthony
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    Damn, I feel for the guy, but that just cracked me up.
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    There are rumors that she will receive protection and witness protection plan but that is false.

    Casey Anthony Detectives May Provide Protection When She Leaves Jail - ABC News

    By MICHAEL S. JAMES and CHRISTINA NG
    July 12, 2011
    The police who investigated Casey Anthony for murder -- and still believe she is guilty -- said today that they are assessing the threat to her safety and may provide police protection for Anthony when she leaves jail this weekend.

    Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings acknowledged the anger over the verdict that found Anthony not guilty of killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. The fury has been directed at Anthony, her parents, the judge and the jury.

    "Our intelligence section is assessing the threats," said Sgt. John Allen, who helped interrogate Anthony at Universal Studios after she admitted she had lied about working there.

    "A lot of people have strong sentiments about the outcome, but no one has the right to take the law into their own hands.... I would hope people step back and, regardless of their feelings, not commit another crime," Allen said at a news conference with other members of the team that investigated Anthony.

    Demings said that when Anthony, 25, leaves jail Sunday, "We will assist in her departure from those premises."

    If there is an "overriding public safety need," they will escort her to her destination, the sheriff said. He added, however, "We will not be providing any elaborate protection for Casey once she leaves."

    The jury's not guilty verdict has not changed the opinion of the cops who grilled Anthony and investigated Caylee's death.

    When asked whether he still believed that Anthony was guilty, Allen replied, "I certainly don't have any doubt."

    Demings said that an investigation involving the case remains open and involves a witness tampering allegation. He would not elaborate.

    The Orange County prosecutor's office announced that it would not charge Casey Anthony's mother Cindy Anthony with perjury after she claimed responsibility for the many searches for chloroform on the family computer. Prosecutors proved that Cindy Anthony was at work at the time the searches were made. They also claimed that Casey Anthony killed Caylee with a combination of chloroform and duct tape.

    Casey Anthony Jurors Were Suspicious of Her Father

    The foreman of the Casey Anthony jury said that one reason that they acquitted Anthony was because they were suspicious that her father, George Anthony, could have been covering up a crime or even potentially could be a killer himself.

    "There was a suspicion of him," the juror said. "That was a part of our conversation that we had."

    At today's press conference, the detectives said that George Anthony was never a suspect in the case.

    The jury foreman, juror No. 11, voiced his feelings about George Anthony during an interview on Fox News' "On the Record with Greta van Susteren," in which he was photographed from behind and would not reveal his name.

    As with other jurors who have been interviewed, the foreman said the panel was unconvinced by the evidence that Casey Anthony, 25, murdered her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee -- and was not even certain that a murder was committed.

    "We don't know the cause of death," the juror said. "Everything was speculation."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceInWonderland View Post
    Does anyone have video of Casey's reaction to them finding Caylee's body? I heard there was a video around, but I haven't seen it
    Quote Originally Posted by CornFlakegrl View Post
    They probably threw out the drowning theory since there was no evidence to support it.

    To find her negligent for not reporting the child missing, pretty much says Casey didn't do it. If they think she did do it that's kind of a catch-22, no? I'm wondering if that was the logic.

    (sorry if the above doesn't make sense, it does in my head)
    Manslaughter and child abuse/neglect are both defined by acting so negligently (not reporting your child for 31 fucking days) that something COULD lead to/cause/or result in the death of a child (or lead to/result in or cause harm--child neglect). There doesn't have to be any intent or even a willful action. It can be the omission of the action that "could" lead to a death. So, if she was so reckless to drop off nanny with a 'fake' nanny and not know where the f* her child was, it fits the bill. If she was so reckless to be lying to homicide detectives as to where her child was (making up stories, etc) instead of helping to find her child, that fits. If she overdosed Caylee on chloroform by mistake, that fits. If she straight up killed her, that fits. If she duct-taped her mouth for any
    reason and Caylee suffocated to death, that fits. If she was too reckless to not be paying attention to Caylee was out near the pool and she ended up drowning and was later found by someone else, not her caretaker, that is grossly reckless and that also fits. If she knew Caylee was dead and failed to report it making up lies along the way to cover her tracks and the truth of what happened, that is definitely reckless and negligent (not to mention a wild obstruction of justice).

    Add all of that up with the circumstantial evidence against her and you get a lot of WTF.

    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    And to top off this whole unfortunate situation? Two of his kids are also named Casey Anthony.
    Poor guy. But the dumb people bombarding his Facebook are stupider cause the hag isn't even out of jail yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by sluce View Post
    He added, however, "We will not be providing any elaborate protection for Casey once she leaves."
    Good. They shouldn't.

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    The cops aren't happy either, shit, she may need protection from the police.
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