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    Quote Originally Posted by emkat View Post
    This make so much sense exept for the disposing of the body. How did they do it with no one seeing? And where did they put it? Maybe in the ocean?




    Me too! And we will most likely never know.
    Probably not. Here is a good thread with lots of information:

    http://www.gossiprocks.com/forum/new...eys-death.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasha View Post
    She knew what happened to that baby, but there was a whole helluva lot more to it.

    Didn't the supposed ransom note demand a dollar amount that was the exact amount of the JonBenet's dad'ds salary bonus that year? Yeah, what a coincidence... Not.
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    ^^You're preaching to the choir.

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    [quote=emkat;1929999]This make so much sense exept for the disposing of the body. How did they do it with no one seeing? And where did they put it? Maybe in the ocean?The ocean is certainly a possibility, however, given the fact that the local priest gave the McCanns a key to the church and church yard 'so they could pray unmolested by the media' and the fact that the cadaver dogs smelled corpse fluid in the car the MaCanns rented several weeks after the Maddy went missing, I tend to think they moved the body a few weeks after the fact. Where better to hide a body than in or around a cemetary? No hit from a cadaver dog would be taken seriously. Also do you remember that the cadaver dogs also smelled death on Mama's clothes and the stuffed animal? When Mama was asked to give the stuffed animal to the police (after several weeks of flailing about) Mama suddenly decided to wash the stuffed animal? My sister in law is a pediatric ER doc in NYC's biggest trauma center....her vote is either the accidental overdose/vomit asphixiation senario or Munchausen Syndrome by proxy. Do you guys know what that is?

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    Usually Munchausens by proxy culminates and there would have been signs of it previously, though. I don't know if Madeline had signs of being a "sick child" often before. I think this was accidental, and then there was a cover-up.
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    Agree - Accident/Coverup. If it was MBP the other McCann kids would be involved too. What makes me even madder about this is that people have been suckered into donating millions of pounds to the "find Maddie" campaign and the parents have spent it on paying off their McMansion and other living expenses while they took extended leave from work to go and visit the Pope and go on national TV. How is sending money somehow going to magically make the kid reappear (especially when she's beed dead from the day she was "abducted")?
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    January, thanks for those videos on Kurt Sova. This is the first time I've heard of him.

    A few more.
    The story of "Stardust" has always been of interest to me mainly because of the last transmission, "STENDEC":
    Star Dust was a British South American Airways airliner that mysteriously disappeared on 2 August 1947.
    Star Dust (registration G-AGWH), was an Avro Lancastrian airliner, a civilian version of the Lancaster bomber of World War II. On flight CS 59, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, to Santiago, Chile, via Mendoza, Argentina, the airliner vanished, and was not located for 50 years.
    A comprehensive search of a wide area, including what is now known to have been the crash site, discovered no wreckage. What became of the flight remained a complete mystery for over 50 years. Speculation about the cause and nature of the disappearance of Star Dust included conspiracy theories such as inter-corporate sabotage and abduction by aliens.
    Star Dust (aircraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The 'WOW' signal:
    Whatever happened to the "Wow!" signal, the most promising transmission from space ever detected by SETI? Ever since it was recorded almost a quarter of a century ago, SETI enthusiasts have speculated about its origin and wondered whether it could be a beacon from an alien civilization. The latest attempt to relocate the signal, reported in the January 10 issue of the Astrophysical Journal, was led by longtime SETI researcher Robert Gray with funding from The Planetary Society. But although Gray and his team used the entire Very Large Array in New Mexico, and although they detected many faint objects in the signal's general vicinity, they found no trace of an alien transmission. As of now, the "Wow" signal remains as enigmatic as ever..
    The "Wow!" Signal - Planetary News | The Planetary Society

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    10 More Mysteries That Remain Unsolved - Listverse
    There can be no denying it – the unsolved mysteries lists are amongst the most popular on the site. Fortunately for us there are still millions of them to write about. The only problem now is finding new titles for the lists! For those that may be interested in the previous lists of mysteries, here they are:

    Top 10 Unsolved Mysteries
    Another 10 Unsolved Mysteries
    Yet Another 10 Unsolved Mysteries
    10 More Unsolved Mysteries
    10 More Unsolved Mysteries of the World
    10 More Mysteries of the Unexplained, and
    Another 10 Mysteries That Defy Explanation.

    This list now brings our total number of mystery lists to 8, meaning that we have covered 80 amazing mysteries. Enjoy the list and – as always, be sure to tell us your own favorites in the comments (but remember: check the older lists if you think we have missed something – chances are we haven’t.)

    10 Shag Harbour Incident


    The Shag Harbour UFO Incident was the documented impact of an unknown large object into Shag Harbour, Nova Scotia, in October 1967. The crash was investigated by various Canadian government agencies, and at least one underwater search was launched to recover remains of the object. The Canadian government declared that no known aircraft was involved and the source of the crash remains unknown to this day. It is one of very few cases where governmental agency documents have formally declared an unidentified flying object was involved. The case was also briefly investigated by the U.S. Condon Committee UFO study, which offered no explanation.

    9 Katz II


    In 2007, the 12-metre catamaran, the Kaz II, was discovered unmanned off the coast of Queensland, northeast Australia in April. The yacht, which had left Airlie Beach on Sunday 15 April, was spotted about 80 nautical miles (150 km) off Townsville, near the outer Great Barrier Reef on the following Wednesday. When boarded on Friday, the engine was running, a laptop was running, the radio and GPS were working and a meal was set to eat, but the three-man crew were not on board. All the sails were up but one was badly shredded, while three life jackets and survival equipment, including an emergency beacon, were found on board. Investigators recovered a video recording that showed footage taken by the crew shortly before their disappearance. The footage showed nothing abnormal.

    8 The Cando Event


    The Cando event was an explosion that occurred in the village of Cando, Spain, in the morning of January 18, 1994. There were no casualties in this incident, which has been described as being like a small Tunguska event. Witnesses claim to have seen a fireball in the sky lasting for almost one minute. A possible explosion site was established when a local resident called the University of Santiago de Compostela to report an unknown gouge in a hillside close to the village. Up to 200 m≥ of terrain was missing and trees were found displaced 100 m down the hill. The mystery became fertile ground for conspiracy theories that point to military or “alien activities”.

    7 Surrey Puma


    From the 1960s on, a mysterious black cat resembling a puma has been seen in and around south western Surrey in England. It was seen a number of times by locals and also by government officials. In 1963 a sighting by a policeman sparked further interest in the subject and one year later an ox was found mutilated by a large creature. Over 300 reports of the black cat were received by the police in one year alone. Speculation and interest dwindled again until another policeman caught the cat on film in the same year as a massive paw print was discovered.

    6 The Bloop


    The Bloop is the name given to an ultra-low frequency underwater sound detected by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration several times during the summer of 1997. The source of the sound remains unknown. According to the NOAA description, it “rises rapidly in frequency over about one minute and was of sufficient amplitude to be heard on multiple sensors, at a range of over 5,000 km.” According to scientists who have studied the phenomenon it matches the audio profile of a living creature but there is no known animal that could have produced the sound. If the sound did come from an animal, it would reportedly have to be several times the size of the largest known animal on Earth. You can listen to the bloop here.

    5 The Lead Masks Case


    The Lead Masks Case refers to the discovery of the bodies of two electronic technicians in Brazil in 1966. The bodies were found in a field wearing impermeable coats and lead masks (usually used to protect against radiation – pictured above). Even stranger was the discovery of a small notebook beside the bodies with signs and numbers, and a letter in which was written: “16:30 be at the agreed place. 18:30 swallow capsules, after effect protect metals wait for the mask sign”. A waitress who was the last to see them alive said that one of them looked very nervous and kept glancing at his watch. There were no obvious injuries on the bodies. Gracinda Barbosa Cortino de Souza and her children, who lived next to the hill where the men died, claimed that they had seen a UFO flying over the spot at the exact moment the detectives believed the two men must have died.

    4 The Grinning Man


    The Grinning Man is a mysterious man who has been sighted during heightened UFO encounters as well as during the 1960s Mothman sightings. Two young eyewitnesses said he turned and looked at them with a permanent grin on his face. According to the men who interviewed the boys: “[t]he man was over six feet tall, they agreed, and was dressed in a sparkling green coverall costume that shimmered and seemed to reflect the street lights. There was a wide black belt around his waist.” The boys also said “He had a very dark complexion, and little round eyes…real beady…set far apart.” The most frightening and bizarre aspect of the encounter is the fact that “They could not remember seeing any hair, ears, or nose on this figure.” During the Mothman sightings, the grinning man is said to have telepathically told a witness that his name was “Indrid Cold”.

    3 Toynbee Tiles





    The Toynbee tiles are messages of mysterious origin found embedded in asphalt in about two dozen major cities in the United States and three South American capitals. Since the 1980s, several hundred tiles have been discovered. They are generally about the size of an American license plate, but sometimes considerably larger. They contain some variation on the following inscription:
    TOYNBEE IDEA
    IN KUBRICK’S 2001
    RESURRECT DEAD
    ON PLANET JUPITER.
    The majority of tiles contain text similar to that above, although a second set is often found nearby. Several of these allude to a mass conspiracy between the press (including newspaper magnate John S. Knight of Knight-Ridder), the U.S. government, the USSR (even in tiles seemingly made years after the Soviet Union’s dissolution), and Jews. The writing is of a similar style and poor quality. A tile that used to be located in Santiago de Chile mentions a street address in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 2624 S. 7th Philadelphia, PA. The current occupants of the house know nothing about the tiles and are annoyed by people who ask.

    2 Taman Shud Case





    In 1948 the body of a man was found on Somerton beach in Adelaide, Australia. The man was never identified. Police found a suitcase which they believed was his containing clothing in which all but three items had their name tags removed. The name on the remaining items pointed them to a man who was later identified as not being the dead man. A small note in the man’s pocket said “taman shud” which is the last line of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. It had been cut from a book. A doctor seeing the note on the TV contacted police to say that the book had appeared in the backseat of his unlocked car. It was the copy that had had the note removed. In the back of the book were coded markings which have not been able to be deciphered as yet:
    MRGOABABD
    MTBIMPANETP
    MLIABOAIAQC
    ITTMTSAMSTGAB
    A name in the front of the book led police to a woman who said she had given it to a man named Boxall during the Second World War. Upon seeing a plaster cast of the dead man she identified him as Boxall. This appeared to solve the mystery of who the man was, until Boxall was discovered alive with his copy of the book undamaged. Coincidentally the woman who identified the man lived in Glenelg – the last town visited by the dead man before he travelled by bus to his final destination. The woman asked police not to record her name as she was married and wanted to avoid scandal – they foolishly complied and her identity is now also unknown. This is considered to be one of Australia’s most profound mysteries. Wikipedia has extensive information on this fascinating case here.

    1 Sudarium of Oviedo





    The Sudarium of Oviedo (kept in the Cathedral of San Salvador, Oviedo, Spain) is said to be the cloth that was wrapped around the head of Jesus after his crucifixion. Like the Shroud of Turin, it bears markings consistent with the manner of death and other evidence supports the fact that it was, at some point, on the same body as the shroud. Carbon dating has given two different results (7th century and 14th century) but, again like the shroud, the areas tested were most likely from repairs from the middle ages. In support of a more ancient date are pollen grains which date from the 1st century in the Middle East. The blood stains on both the shroud and the sudarium are the same, and the materials of the cloths are identical. The majority of the stains on the sudarium match the head region of the shroud. The Sudarium is believed to be the cloth mentioned in the Bible:
    And when he stooped down, he saw the linen cloths lying; but yet he went not in. Then cometh Simon Peter, following him, and went into the sepulchre, and saw the linen cloths lying, And the napkin that had been about his head [Sudarium?], not lying with the linen cloths [Shroud?], but apart, wrapped up into one place. — John 20:5-7
    Visitors to Oviedo can see the Sudarium on display every year on Good Friday, the Feast of the Triumph of the Cross (14 September), and its octave (21 September).

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    The KazII "mystery" (#9) hasn't been formally solved but the concensus is that one or two of the men fell overboard or went for a swim and got into difficulties so the other one/two jumped in to assist him. The climbing ladder from the water to the deck wasn't in use and it's almost impossible to climb back on a boat, especially a moving one without one. The men also broke the golden rule of always leaving one person on board no matter what the emergency. The shredded sail was caused by flapping in the wind for a long time. They were never found because they would have quickly become shark food.
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    Yep, I think that one has an easy solution, I agree. Very sad indeed though. I actually find the case of the Mary Celeste more perplexing, you can read about it here:

    Mary Celeste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by january View Post
    Yep, I think that one has an easy solution, I agree. Very sad indeed though. I actually find the case of the Mary Celeste more perplexing, you can read about it here:

    Mary Celeste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Ghost ships are always interesting to read about. Although there is one thing I just noticed about the Mary Celeste crew (despite reading about the Celeste numerous times). The captain's wife's name, Sarah Elizabeth Briggs.

    I first read about the Grinning Man over at SomethingAwful, and thought "holy mother of god, it's the Slenderman"

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    Have any of you all heard about the death of Cindy James? Now that is a bizarre, bizarre case. She reported hundreds of calls of harassment to the police, claiming a man was stalking her. The police staked out her house and found nothing. She was brutally assaulted several times, once with a knife stuck through her hand, her private investigator found her unconscious. Her house was deliberately set on fire twice. The police started to believe she was doing this herself. Cindy did obviously have mental issues and she swung into a deep depression and I believe was even institutionalized at one point - she was despondent because she felt no one believed her. Later she was found hogtied with her hands and feet behind her back and killed with an injection of morphine - something which would be near impossible for someone to do by themselves. No needles were found around her. Her death was ruled "unknown" because they were unable to decide if it was murder or staged suicide. There were tapes played at the inquest that were left on her machine - they are very chilling and graphic in their threats. The weird thing is, they couldn't come to a consensus whether it was a man or Cindy pretending to be a man. To me, it sounds very much like a man - Cindy had a higher pitch to her voice and I don't think she'd be able to fake such a voice. Basically, the police believed wholeheartedly she did everything herself, while her friends and family feel she was murdered. I'm torn absolutely - every time I think she killed herself, I learn something new and think she was murdered, and vice versa. I cannot get a grasp on this case.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbrAggQE2EA[/youtube]

    This thread has some good insight too:

    Cindy James - Sitcoms Online Message Boards and Cindy James - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

    Personally I find these posts interesting:

    The most popular theory from many close to the case is that Cindy suffered from multiple personalities. I have to question that. Although I'm no expert, I would have to assume that somebody would have noticed a major personality change SOME TIME during all those years. A person doesn't have control over when this other personality (or personalities) takes over, it just happens, doesn't it? Therefore, I would have to think that somebody would have noticed.

    I read through a little of "The Deaths of Cindy James," last night and was reminded of a couple suspicious instances that could possibly point the finger away from Cindy staging everything.

    1. The tennants that lived in the basement suite, one day, called the police after hearing suspicious noises upstairs after Cindy had left for work. Police investigated but didn't see anything amiss.

    2. Cindy's next door neighbor remembered seeing an unfamiliar man (not Cindy's ex-husband, or any of the police) pounding on Cindy's back door. Another time she remembered him standing on her front porch.

    3. Another neighbor who lived behind Cindy (their back yards were connected) surprised a stranger in his back yard one night staring at Cindy's house. The man ran off, breaking the hinge on the gate fence in the process before the owner could get a look at his face.

    4. Also mentioned in the Unsolved Mysteries segment, the night Cindy's basement was set on fire, she and the Woodcocks got out of the house and noticed a man standing on the curb. He ran away down the street never to be seen again.

    These could be just coincidences or they might have been something more.

    and....

    I can cetainly see why people would think it would be suicide. Cindy did act odd at times during those 7 years and didn't always act like a normal victim would act. Another strange incident was when her house was set on fire, apparently by her attacker. She was relatively calm after getting her friends and dog out of the house and it wasn't until police arrived that she started to act histarical and crying. That always seemed suspicious to me. I also find it odd that she would go out walking her dog at 2:00 in the morning after everything she had been through.

    But there were times when it seemed like there really could have been an attacker. One evening, she was playing cards with her friends Tom and Agnes Woodcock (they were like second parents to her and began living with her for a while so she would feel safer) - they were playing cards at 3:00 in the morning because she had trouble sleeping when the burgler alarm went off and they all heard someone out in the yard. After checking, they found a dead cat left on her front porch with a note tied around it's neck; "You're next!" If Cindy was able to stage that, she must have been some kind of master genius because Agnes said she never once left the room.

    The phone lines constantly being cut also confuses me. She certainly never had any knowledge of which phone lines were hers, which ones were her down stairs tenant and which ones were her neighbors that lived close by yet her phone lines were always cut and never anyone else's. And the threatening phone calls - she wasn't always alone when she would recieve them. There were times when her PI, her police officer friend and her family members answered one of these calls with Cindy in the room.

    Either way, whether it was suicide or murder, the Vancouver Police look like a bunch of fools. Thinman mentioned that in seven years, some kind of evidence would have surfaced. That may be true...but how come in seven years the police could never catch Cindy doing these things to herself? Come on, seven years is a long time. If an attack always seemed to happen when surveillance was taken off her house why didn't the police just trick her and tell her that it was taken off but instead stay and see if they could catch her in the act? This isn't rocket science here. If the police was so convinced that she was doing this to herself, they should have got the proof first instead of making accusations.
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    This is a great thread, some of these i've never heard of so i've spent some time reading up on them - thanks for the links .

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    Hmmm, sounds like Cindy may have had an accomplice...

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