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    As far as the phone call...the FBI clearly heard Burkes voice after PR thought see hung up. Burke asked "please, what do I do"? JR says "we were not speaking to you". Then Patsy screams " help me Jesus". Then Burke is heard asking"what did you find..." The Ramseys said in their statements to police however that he was still in bed at the time of the call.

    JonBenet was found wearing panties that were too big for her. PR said she'd never seen them before. Another lie. PR bought them as a gift for a 12 year old relative and JonBenet liked them and pestered mom to keep them. Was PR trying to cast suspicion elsewhere?

    Karr, in his (alledged) confession 5 years ago claims he was at the Ramseys party the night of the murder eating pineapple on the stairs w/ JB. He later hid in a spare bedroom. All B.S. because the Ramseys did not have a party that night. They went to one. Can't wait to hear what this secret stuff he "knows" is. It must be something for an actual arrest.
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    This guy Karr has been reading up and studying JonBenet's murder for the past 10 yrs. He was obsessed and I'm sure totally enthralled in every detail of her murder. He could be an expert of sorts just from everything he's read on the internet and from books. Hell, even most of us here know most things regarding the crime now too. For him to know a lot of details doesn't prove jack shit to me...it doesn't put him there and it doesn't make him the murderer. It just makes him into a delusional psychopath who wants to be attached to her name.

    God, I hope they get a DNA match from somewhere and if it's him....Hallelujah!

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    I can see a freakazoid like John Mark Karr hanging around these child pageants, really getting off on seeing JonBenet painted up like a sexy doll. I'm not saying I'm even convinced he's the killer, I'm just saying that those parents unwittingly set their child up as a target by forcing her to perform in those beauty contests.
    Just watching that awful NBC "Dateline" and their experts are saying that child beauty pageants are a child molesters wet dream. If, and it's a big if, Jon Benet was killed by a strange it is probably one of those creepy pedophiles that hangs around pageants.

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    Bearing in mind we have to tread carefully on the subject of pageants because it might offend people with self-righteous indignation hair triggers, this episode does throw up the whole subject, particularly if this weirdo is indeed a pedophile and how he and countless others just like him see pageants as the perfect environment in which to go and hang around 'legitimately' with provocatively sexualised 5yr olds.

    There was a child psych professor in TV here today duking it out with a pageant mom who trotted out the usual lame excuses and justifications for this kind of activity. When asked about the problem of pedophiles she said that 'well run' pageants are not now open to the public and spectators are allowed in by invitation only. Right, so that means the pageant organisations know damn well that perverts come flocking to these events precisely because the 'contestants' are expected to parade around like 5yr old Lolitas. If nothing else comes out of this weird story let's hope it's a wake up call to the pageant community that they must bear some responosibility for promoting this wholly unhealthy image of the 'perfect' child.
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    http://www.kron.com/
    go this this link and watch the video about the woman who claimes karr confessed to this 5 years ago. what doesnt add up is, i remember watching an interview and patsy stated that jon benet came down to get some pineapple, because there were traces found in her system, but if this confession is true, this guy claims he sat and ate pineapple with her, so someones lying. its so hard to figure out what happened, i dont think anyone will really know for sure

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    I cant believe they're saying on the news what this creeps flight number and time of arrival is. Someone could rock up at LAX and shoot him or something. Then we'll never know the truth.

    I still think Karr is innocent. He needs to be locked up for something, but he's not the killer in this case.

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    He may not be JonBenet's killer but he sure as hell isn't innocent. He's a sick pervert. I thought it was funny when Polly Klass's father was on t.v. today saying 'What is this guy, a dead little girl 'groupie'?' And I totally agree...the guy was obsessed with these child murders and even moved to Petaluma, CA for a year to be in the same city that Polly Klass lived in...that is wierd.

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    He seems like a total fruitcake. The only reason I hope he's the culprit is so the tragic story could be laid to rest. I have always thought Patsy killed JonBenet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAntiParis View Post
    I cant believe they're saying on the news what this creeps flight number and time of arrival is. Someone could rock up at LAX and shoot him or something. Then we'll never know the truth.

    I still think Karr is innocent. He needs to be locked up for something, but he's not the killer in this case.
    Reminds me too much of the entire Lee Harvey Oswald thing, like they're hoping someone will pick him off, some sharpshooter blow his brains out somewhere along the route. Very odd, but the entire idea of him as the killer is too odd for me to accept. Too many inconsistancies. All the media outlets are now pointing out the obvious flaws in it being Carr as the killer. I still think the Ramseys did this, either the mother, father or son and the rest covered for the killer.

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    What a thread this is.

    By coincidence, FOX's Korean affiliate aired a special "Trace Evidence"
    from a few years ago about this case. The program featured numerous
    journalists and commentators, including Henry Lee. It's old, but it does have
    some details in it that had not been made public at first. (The pineapple
    in her stomach was one item that I hadn't known about before the show.)

    The program wrestled with the 'choice': intruder or family member?
    They didn't seriously entertain the notion that this was a botched
    kidnapping/attempt to defraud an insurance company (which I only
    suggest because someone on this thread mentioned that the
    Ramseys were broke -- John Ramsey's company was reportedly
    worth $1 Billion when the crime occurred).

    1. JonBenet was tasered in bed and then removed.

    Tasers/stun guns leave marks on human tissue, but only if
    the victim is alive. They do not leave burnmarks on dead tissue.
    JonBenet had the telltale circular burn marks. (This FOX special
    featured some autopsy photos.)

    2. JonBenet was tied up in bed before she was moved.

    JonBenet's hands were bound with nylon rope, no thicker than
    a shoelace. A fiber from this rope was found on her bedsheet.
    This implies that the killer tied her up there before she was
    moved downstairs.

    3. She had duct tape on her mouth that did not match any
    types of tape in the house or the garbage.
    Also, the nylon
    rope used to bind her hands did not come from the house,
    nor was any matching rope found in any of their friends' or
    families' houses.

    4. Diane Sawyer's 1997 special on the kidnappings pointed out
    two facts which allow for (but do not prove) the intruder theory.


    a) There was very little snow on the ground at the time,
    thus putting to rest the notion that "there were no footprints
    in the snow outside." TV reports at the time verified this fact.
    An intruder could have broken in without leaving footprints in
    the snow. (And green Christmases are not uncommon anymore;
    we had numerous green Christmases in Canada with no snow,
    and we're supposed to be an arctic country.)

    b) The actual window was small -- perhaps two feet square --
    but a grown man could squeeze in through that space.
    Stand a grown man up and try and pass a 2' diameter hoop
    down over his body; he could fit.

    5. The wound on her head bears the shape of a maglite flashlight,
    and was so traumatic and so deep that it would've killed a grown
    man.
    It would have killed her even if there were no strangulation
    from the home-made "garotte" around her neck.

    6. She was strangled with a tourniquet (a stick was used to
    tighten the rope).
    The stick used in the tourniquet was
    a broken paintbrush handle; the other half of it was found
    in Patsy's painting kit, in the house.

    This does not mean she did it; it means the killer used a
    tool in the house to strangle her.

    THE RANSOM NOTE

    7. The ransom note was 2 pages long, single-spaced, and
    is clearly not the work of career criminals.
    But just because
    it wasn't written by the Bader-Meinhoff gang doesn't mean
    Patsy/John wrote it;
    it meant some idiot wrote it.
    (The FOX special said that handwriting comparisons were
    "inconclusive" with regard to Patsy's/John's handwriting.)

    8. The note was written with a pen that was later found inside the house,
    on paper that was also found inside the house.
    Someone
    had time to write a 2-page note in the house -- it wasn't made
    clear at what time this note was written vis-a-vis the time of death.
    I doubt the note was written before the child had actually been
    stunned and tied up; what if she'd come downstairs for a glass
    of water?

    9. The note specifically mentioned that troublesome amount of
    $118,000 -- nearly the exact amount of John Ramsey's christmas
    bonus that year.
    This might indicate, if it was an intruder,
    an inside job -- one of Ramsey's employees. If it was a false trail,
    a "red herring," then it was an attempt by the writer to deflect suspicion...
    possibly onto employees who were high up in John's circle.

    So far, there was plenty of evidence to support the theory of the
    intruder coming from outside, botching a kidnapping, killing the child
    in a panic and then trying to deflect suspicion by way of an
    amateurish ransom note.

    THE PINEAPPLE AND THE TEA BAG

    10. Police made a special point, during the taped interrogations,
    to ask if (at any point in the past two days) JonBenet had been
    given pineapple to eat.


    Both parents denied it. Neither had given her any pineapple to eat.

    But the coroner found pineapple in her stomach.

    Crime scene photos revealed two food items on the
    kitchen table on the night JBR died -- one was a bowl
    with pineapple in it. The other was an empty glass with a used teabag
    in it. The glass (not a mug--a drinking glass) was side by side
    with the bowl in one photo.

    Are we to infer that JonBenet actually came downstairs in the night
    and ate the pineapple... with her attacker? And if so, how could
    this attacker really be a stranger, completely unknown to the parents
    or the children?

    I'd find it supremely eerie if a 6-year-old was not suspicious enough
    of a stranger in her house at MIDNIGHT on Christmas day...if that
    was indeed when the scream was heard.

    I suspect that if John Ramsey saw himself as a Master of the Universe,
    he probably thought he could stage the perfect crime -- and that
    might include the (seemingly harmless) crime of faking a kidnapping.
    But perhaps the prospect frightened little JonBenet...?

    11. As for the cops -- yes, they want to find the truth, but they are
    under a lot of pressure to put someone, anyone, away for a crime
    of international prominence
    and therefore it would be entirely
    possible for them to botch the investigation or to try to frame
    the Ramseys just because they "had a hunch" it was "probably"
    them. The police system is a bureaucracy of people who got a
    "C" average in high school, people; they aren't a League of
    Sherlock Holmeses. (Sorry to Lobelia or whoever it was that
    had police training. ) If they don't get results, they look
    incompetent in the eyes of America...

    12. One last thing -- about Patsy's behaviour. I specifically remember
    that many people thought she wasn't grieving sufficiently back in 1996;
    it didn't look like she was distraught enough. However, she was on
    antidepressants at the time, so it's hard to say how she should have
    mourned. (Also, would people have accused her of overacting if
    she had cried too much?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprynkles View Post
    As far as the phone call...the FBI clearly heard Burkes voice after PR thought see hung up. Burke asked "please, what do I do"? JR says "we were not speaking to you". Then Patsy screams " help me Jesus". Then Burke is heard asking"what did you find..." The Ramseys said in their statements to police however that he was still in bed at the time of the call.
    Only one person said that they could hear Burke in the background. All
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAntiParis View Post
    What I found weird too was that the note wasn't taken seriously at all. It said that if the police were called, Jonbenet would instantly die, and the kidnappers were watching the house. But the police were called anyway. The ramseys were putting their daughters life in danger anyway. And the note said the kidnappers would call between 8am and 10am- detective linda ardnt said in an interview that when 8am passed, the ramseys didn't mention the promised call. Then when 10am passed, they still didn't mention the fact that the kidnapper had not called! Thats because they already knew damn well, in my opinion, that Jonbenet was in the house and she was dead.
    Yes. Exactly. Somethin' ain't right with the Ramseys. AND WHO WAS MOLESTING JONBENET?? Didn't the autopsy report (or her medical records?) reveal evidence of previous abuse/vaginal tearing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAntiParis View Post
    I dont know if The ramseys, either John, Burke or Patsy intentionally killed Jonbenet, or if it was just a horrible accident.
    I believe JonBenet was the victim of abuse, and on the night she died, some terrible accident occured that resulted in her death and the parents covered up either their or Burke's involvement in the accidental death. Now, whether this "accident" was the result of horseplay or abuse, I don't know.

    I also found it strange how Patsy would say in interviews, "I loved THAT child". Woul you really refer to your beloved daughter as 'that'. I dont think so.
    I don't find it strange. I call my niece "that little girl" as a term of endearment. Because she's that little girl, as opposed to all the other little girls in the world who mean nothing to me cuz she's the greatest little girl in the world.

    I really feel like Patsy lived through Jonbenet; she was in pageants, then Jonbenet was in pageants. And despite what Patsy reckons that Jonbenet loved them, other people have said that Jonbenet used to kick her mother backstage, and didn't want to go on. Her mother would tell, "you HAVE to do this". And after a pageant win one night, the ramseys went to dinner and Jonbenet was cold but her mother wouldn't let her put on a coat because Jonbenet was "still on show". Patsy really sounded like one of those terrible 'stage' moms.
    Totally and completely. I'm sorry, but EVERY TIME I see footage of JonBenet performing (or those scary little Glamour Shots-style photos), she doesn't have that sparkle, that glow, that I've seen in other little girls on the pageant circuit. Plus, she couldn't sing worth a damn. I can just tell that she was on stage parading herself around because she was told to, not because she wanted to.
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