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    I'm really starting to wish that people would stop thinking that a good way to help someone with severe mental issues is to become really good with a deadly weapon....

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    STEPHENVILLE, Texas (AP) A 25-year-old Iraq war veteran charged with murdering former Navy SEAL and "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle and his friend turned his semi-automatic handgun onto the pair while they were at a Texas shooting range, authorities said Sunday.
    Eddie Ray Routh of Lancaster was arraigned early Sunday on two counts of capital murder in the deaths of Kyle, 38, and Chad Littlefield, 35, at the shooting range about 50 miles southwest of Fort Worth.
    Capt. Jason Upshaw with the Erath County Sheriff's Office said Routh used a semi-automatic handgun, which authorities later found at his home. Upshaw declined to give any more details about the type of gun used.
    Routh has not made any comments indicating what his motive may have been, Upshaw said. Sheriff Tommy Bryant said Routh was unemployed and "may have been suffering from some type of mental illness from being in the military himself," but he didn't know if Routh was on any medication.
    "I don't know that we'll ever know. He's the only one that knows that," Upshaw said.
    The U.S. military confirmed Sunday that Routh was a corporal in the Marines from June 2006 to January 2010. He was deployed to Iraq in 2007 and Haiti in 2010. His current duty status is listed as reserve.
    Routh is being held on $3 million bond. Authorities did not know whether Routh had a lawyer yet.
    Bryant said the trio went to the shooting range around 3:15 p.m. Saturday. Someone else came across the bodies of Kyle and Littlefield around 5 p.m. and called 911.
    Upshaw said autopsies were still pending and he could not say how many times the men were shot or where on their bodies they were hit.
    After the shootings, Routh left the shooting range in Kyle's black pickup truck, Bryant said, first going to his sister's home in Midlothian, where he told her and her husband what he had done. The couple called local police.
    Routh arrived at his home in Lancaster, about 17 miles southeast of Dallas, at about 8 p.m. Police arrested him after a brief pursuit and took him to the Lancaster Police Department.
    Travis Cox, the director of a nonprofit Kyle helped found, told the Associated Press on Sunday that Kyle and Littlefield had taken Routh to the range. Littlefield was Kyle's neighbor and "workout buddy," Cox said.
    "What I know is Chris and a gentleman great guy, I knew him well, Chad Littlefield took a veteran out shooting who was struggling with PTSD to try to assist him, try to help him, try to, you know, give him a helping hand and he turned the gun on both of them, killing them," Cox said.
    A knock on the door at Routh's last known address went unanswered Sunday. A for-sale sign was in front of the small, wood-framed home.
    Kyle, a decorated veteran, wrote the best-selling book, "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History," detailing his 150-plus kills of insurgents from 1999 to 2009. Kyle said in his book that Iraqi insurgents had put a bounty on his head. According to promotional information from book publisher William Morrow, Kyle deployed to Iraq four times.
    Kyle's nonprofit, FITCO Cares, provides at-home fitness equipment for emotionally and physically wounded veterans.
    "Chris was literally the type of guy if you were a veteran and needed help he'd help you," Cox said. "And from my understanding that's what happened here. I don't know how he came in contact with this gentleman, but I do know that it was not through the foundation."
    Cox described Littlefield as a gentle, kind-hearted man who often called or emailed him with ideas for events or fundraisers to help veterans.
    "It was just two great guys with Chad and Chris trying to help out a veteran in need and making time out of their day to help him. And to give him a hand. And unfortunately this thing happened," Cox said.
    Lt. Cmdr. Rorke Denver, who served with Kyle on SEAL Team 3 in Iraq in 2006, called Kyle a champion of the modern battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    I'm really starting to wish that people would stop thinking that a good way to help someone with severe mental issues is to become really good with a deadly weapon....
    Well, being as he's a marine, PTSD may be the cause of his illness, as it is for so many of our veterans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    Well, being as he's a marine, PTSD may be the cause of his illness, as it is for so many of our veterans.
    Yup. I tend to think, though, that more explosive sounds and shells firing around is counterproductive for PTSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    Yup. I tend to think, though, that more explosive sounds and shells firing around is counterproductive for PTSD.

    Yea,...I agree. Couldn't they have went to coffee together or out to dinner? Not sure how taking him to a shooting range would be good therapy or helping to the man. Not over looking what he did,...just saying.

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    if he was known to be battling mental issues, why did he still have a gun licence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sputnik View Post
    if he was known to be battling mental issues, why did he still have a gun licence?
    It might not have been his gun. Kyle, who started the vet PTSD charity, may have taken Routh out to the shooting camp with one of his own guns. Kyle suffered from PTSD himself, so it's even more stupid that he'd think an afternoon's shooting would be good therapy.

    Kyle was big on vets counseling other vets, without any therapists or doctors involved.

    BTW, this Rough Creek Lodge is one of those places that allows rich guys to ship in exotic animals and hunt them. It's a shooting resort, rather than a firing range.
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    jesus, that kyle guy sounds like a retard.
    and this might seem harsh but i think anyone with PTSD should be barred from ever owning or using a gun. for life.
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