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    Default Manhattan Nanny Stabbing Tragedy Brings Out the Worst in People

    The message boards on anonymous parenting forum UrbanBaby.com are frequented by impressively self-absorbed and judgmental city parents who fret over their paltry $700,000 household incomes, argue the merits of elite private schools, and write Moby Dick-length screeds on co-sleeping. But they wouldn't stoop so low as to make yesterday's fatal Upper West Side stabbing — in which a nanny is accused of killing two young children — about them, would they? Of course they would! Last night, a mother returned home to her luxury apartment to find two of her children, a 2-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl, stabbed to death in a bathtub, allegedly by the family's 50-year-old nanny, Yoselyn Ortega, who had been so close to her employers that they all once visited her own family in the Dominican Republic. Police haven't determined the impetus for the senseless act of violence — Ortega, who apparently also tried to stab her own throat, hadn't seemed depressed or agitated and didn't leave any sort of note — but UrbanBaby's posters have some thoughts on the tragedy:

    Shame on you, working mothers!

    All you ladies who put your career and money above your children, this is what can happen. And don't give me the old tired you "can't afford not to work," which really means "I dont want to give up my current lifestyle and move or cut back on the manicures and what have you. I thank God everyday that my wife demanded that she stay home until our kids were in school. And it paid off!! We have great kids and we never put them in danger by putting their lives in someone else's hands.

    Shame on you, stay-at-home mothers!
    Was she a SAHM with a nanny? This will teach you to never leave your kids with nannies unless you have to work to put food on the table.

    Epic humble-bragging about life choices:
    Sometimes I have felt I was missing something by not going back to work, but last night my husband said, I'm so grateful that you are willing to stay home with the kids, and I feel the same. You just never know when you leave your kids with someone. Look- they really "knew" this woman, went to the DR and stayed with her family, how much closer can you get to someone who works for you?? If you have a nanny, has this event raised your level of concern at all? I'm not judging those who do employ nannies, I know that for some people it is the right decision, I just think last night's event would've sent my anxiety through the roof about leaving my kids home with someone.

    Brown people are scary!
    I think mexicans have a violent and bloody culture underlying a lot of other stuff.
    (Note: Ortega is from the Dominican Republic.)


    ...and shouldn't be here, anyway!
    Do you think she was being paid on or off the books? here legally or illegally?

    My nanny is better than your nanny.
    Sometimes I meet a nanny at the playground or a class that I can see doesn't really like her charges. Now I feel like I should seek put the mom and tell her. WDYT?

    We're not asking the important questions: did the kids go to Dalton?
    Where did the children attend school?

    Trend piece alert!
    I would imagine the "nanny as status symbol" days are now over. Stay home and spend the time with your children. Your lunch dates, shopping and Yoga classes are not all that important.

    This tragedy reminds me about myself, and how I fired a nice but crazy lady once. Good call, me!
    This story makes me heartsick. I posted a long time ago about letting go of a housekeeper we loved. She had been acting "off" for several weeks, for example one day I found a load of dirty laundry in the dryer - she had not even put it through the wash first. Other things also here and there, like a random pot full of water on the stove, seemingly no purpose. I also noticed her talking on her bluetooth cell phone quite a bit. One day "the day" she came to work and would not speak English to me. I kept saying "English" and she would respond in Spanish. She started to worry me and I asked her if she needed to go home that day. She said yes, and was acting so oddly that I literally watched her get into her car and drive away, then I locked the door. 5 minutes later she was back, getting out of her car and dancing and singing in my driveway before sitting in the snow in our yard with our dog, who was out. The last thing she did was come to the door and ask if she could take our dog home with her. I told her no and that she needed to go home and feel better, immediately. I then locked the door again and called the police to tell them she had left my home. I heard several hours later from the police that they went to her home, and whatever transpired there, she was put into a psychiatric unit that night. It turned out she had schizophrenia that she had never disclosed to us, and she was having a relapse of some kind. The kids later told me that she never did chat on a cell phone, she was just talking to the air all the time and it freaked them out. She also liked to lock herself in closets in the house and talk to our cat. I never noticed this and left her alone with the kids regularly. That day was the last time I saw her. We still get holiday cards from her asking for her job back, but, sorry, as sad as I am and as much as I know she's a good person, I could never have taken the risk again.


    Advice on how to make sure your nanny never stabs your children:
    One thing that we can do is let our nannies know if they ever feel overwhelmed by the kids or the job, it's OK to park them in front of the TV or computer, put them in the crib even if they are screaming, close the door, go into anpther room and lie down for a while or listen to music, watch tv alone, call a friend, etc. They can even call you to come home if it gets too much. That you would never be upset or fire them if they needed to do this. Let them know you don't want them feeling stressed out at work.


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    Two Children Were Stabbed to Death by Their Nanny on the Upper West Side; Media Very Excited by How Rich They Were


    Two children, ages 2 and 6, were stabbed to death in their Upper West Side apartment building yesterday, apparently by their nanny, 50-year-old Yoselyn Ortega. The children — a boy, Leo, and a girl, Lucia — were discovered in the bathtub by their mother, Marina Krim, when she returned home from taking her three-year-old to swimming practice. Krim found the nanny in the kitchen, lying next to a bloody knife, bleeding from what investigators believe was a self-inflicted slash to the throat. Krim's screams alerted neighbors to call the police. Ortega remains in critical but stable condition at NewYork-Presbyterian. Both children were pronounced dead at the hospital.

    Police have not yet been able to identify an explanation for the nanny's actions; a department spokesperson said yesterday he didn't know if she had left behind a note. By all appearances, however, the Krim family was very close with Ms. Ortega. A post on Mrs. Krim's blog, which she used to document "life with the little Krim kids," mentions visiting Ortega's family in the Dominican Republic.

    "We spent the past 9 days in the Dominican Republic. We spent half the time at our nanny, Josie's sisters home in Santiago…We met Josie's amazing familia!!! And the Dominican Republic is a wonderful country!! More pics to come!!"

    Reaction from neighbors of both the Krims and Ortega has been, predictably, shocked, horrified, and disbelieving.
    Reaction from the media has been, predictably, focused on the Krims' wealth and beautiful home.

    Here's an excerpt from today's New York Times write-up of parents' reactions. It could have been lifted word-for-word from a fun nannies trend piece:

    Few parents hand their children over to nannies lightly. It is a complex relationship, fraught with expectations and anxiety: Will they read enough or resort to TV? Are they on the phone too much? Do they substitute fries for carrots when parents are at work?

    And here's how the Huffington Post an AP story, republished by HuffPo concludes its coverage of the children's murders. (This is the last sentence):

    The family lived in a stately, late 19th-century apartment building where one three-bedroom unit currently available for rent has an asking price of $10,000 per month. They had a greyhound, retired from racing, named Babar.

    The victims' father, Kevin Krim, an executive at CNBC, was on a business trip in San Francisco at the time of the murders. Comcast and NBC Universal released this (much more appropriate) statement on Friday:

    A member of the CNBC family has suffered an unimaginable loss. The sadness that we all feel for Kevin, Marina and their family is without measure. Our thoughts, prayers and unwavering support are with them all.


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    I think people always relate things to themselves and their own experience, I think it's dumb to call them out for "making it about themselves." I'd call them out for being judgmental dicks (sahm and working moms just can't win, and the my nanny is better than yours shit is asinine). Opinions and assholes, etc.

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    maybe the mom did it and framed the nanny.
    can't post pics because my computer's broken and i'm stupid

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    What an absolute fucking nightmare. I feel so sad for those poor children and the parents. How awful. There is nothing wrong with being a working mom, a stay at home mom, having daycare, a nanny or a babysitter. None of these people deserved this to happen to them. It's so sad and senseless.

    Those poor babies
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    For fuck's everloving sake with that first post! I'd seen a news report about this story earlier and, really, what can you say about something this horrible? Oh wait, you can bitch about people having nannies. What the FUCK is wrong with people?


    Manhattan Nanny Accused Of Murdering Children She Cared For

    Posted on: 12:04 pm, October 26, 2012, by Staff Writer

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    NEW YORK (CNN) — Marina Krim logged onto her blog Thursday afternoon to dote on her 2-year-old son: “Leo speaks in the most adorable way possible.” Three hours later, the mother of three young children unleashed a scream that echoed through a luxury Upper West Side apartment, a sound so chilling, so terrifying neighbors immediately dialed 911.

    There in a bathtub was Krim’s youngest child, who just weeks ago celebrated his second birthday with “Pinkalicious-inspired cupcakes,” and his 6-year-old sister, Lucia, who had performed “beautifully in her ballet recital” in May. Both children had been repeatedly stabbed; on the bathroom floor was their nanny, Yoselyn Ortega, 50, with a kitchen knife and self-inflicted stab wounds, police said.
    Marina Krim had left the two children with the nanny, known affectionately as “Josie,” so she could take her third child, 3-year-old Nessie, to swim lessons. When the two returned to Apartment 2FG around 5:30 p.m., the lights were out. Krim went downstairs to ask a doorman if he had seen her two other children leave with the nanny for a stroll to Central Park. The doorman told her he hadn’t seen them.
    “There comes a time when she goes looking for her children,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters, “and enters the bathroom and finds her 6-year-old daughter and son stabbed to death in the tub. On the floor of the bathroom is the nanny who apparently had inflicted wounds in her throat.”
    That’s when neighbors heard the scream.
    The father, Kevin Krim, a senior vice president for CNBC Digital and former Yahoo executive, was returning from a trip to the West Coast. He was met by police at John F. Kennedy Airport and informed of the news.
    “A member of the CNBC family has suffered an unimaginable loss,” NBC Universal said in a statement. “The sadness that we all feel for Kevin, Marina and their family is without measure.”
    The nanny was taken out of the apartment building on a stretcher and rushed to a hospital where she was in critical but stable condition. The two children were brought out on a single stretcher and taken to a hospital where they were pronounced dead. The nanny was under police watch at the hospital, accused of double homicide.
    Police escorted the mother and her 3-year-old daughter from the apartment complex covered in a white sheet to shield them from photographers and gawkers. The mother underwent treatment at a hospital to help cope with the trauma, police said.
    The crime shocked parents in the Upper West Side and struck at the core of every parents’ worst nightmare: a caregiver harming their child. Many said they rushed home to hug their own children after hearing the news.
    Maryellen Conway, 39, a mother of two young children, said she immediately phoned her nanny and they cried together. “She was in tears. I trust her, obviously, with my life and she’s part of our family,” Conway said. “It’s unimaginable. There’s no words to describe what they’re going through.”
    Jasmarin Rothbarb pushed a stroller near the Krims’ apartment building Friday morning. She said she uses a nanny, but the killings made her wonder whether to keep doing so. “It’s a tough call. You trust these people with your most precious joys. I think I see more mothers out today than nannies. It’s a horrible thing.”
    Kathleen Peters dropped off flowers at a makeshift memorial outside the building. Peters is a mother and serves as a nanny of children a few blocks away. “It makes me really, really sad because I take care of twins,” she said. “I can’t understand why (the nanny) would do something like that.”
    The apartment is a block from Central Park and an easy stroll from the Museum of Natural History. Nannies pushing strollers through the neighborhoods are as common as New York’s cabbies. Among the well-to-do, families come to trust their nannies and treat them as extended members of their families.
    That was the case with the Krims. Marina Krim kept a blog titled: “Life with the Little Krim Kids,” an inside glimpse into a loving mother’s documentation of life within their family. Last February, the Krims went to the Dominican Republic to meet their nanny’s family.
    “We spent the past nine days in the Dominican Republic,” Marina Krim wrote on February 18. “We spent half the time at our nanny, Josie’s sisters home in Santiago and the rest at Balcones de Atlantico in Las Terrenas, a condo-style hotel where the ‘Real Housewives of Dominican Republic’ and their families hang on weekends. It was wonderful.”
    She added, “We met Josie’s amazing familia!!! And the Dominican Republic is a wonderful country!!”
    One photo shows the families together, the nanny holding the 3-year-old girl who was at swim lessons when the killings happened.
    Hundreds of people left messages of condolences on the family’s blog as news spread. By Friday morning the blog was taken down.
    The blog documented the life of a loving family, with hundreds of photographs and journal entries of picking blackberries, of celebrating birthdays, of going to a pumpkin patch.
    On September 30, Marina Krim posted a photograph of her son after his second birthday. The boy had dashing brown eyes and a mischievous look as he played at a toy kitchen set. “Leo ‘Lito’ Krim!!!!! Yes, the 2 year old boy,” his mother wrote. “One of the best parts of my day is after I drop both girls off at school and have 3 precious hours with little Lito all to myself. Ok, I’m near getting cheesy I adore this boy so much!!!”
    Weeks before his birthday, mom and son walked home, with the lad pointing at toy cars, trucks and fire engines, excited for his upcoming birthday. “Mama, present, present,” he said after spotting a toy helicopter.
    “Lito, I must say, is a very clever little boy,” she wrote. “He is super talkative and just has a million thoughts running through his brain and can express himself amazingly well for an almost-2 year old.”
    In April, 6-year-old Lucia, known as Lulu, went to work with her father as part of a take-your-child-to-work event. On the whiteboard in her father’s office, she wrote simply: “I like your ofis Dada. Love LuLu.”
    Marina Krim logged onto her blog Thursday at 2:30 p.m. to write her latest entry.
    “Leo speaks in the most adorable way possible. Firstly, he speaks super clearly, so you can understand every word (he) is saying. And he does things like, ‘I want a fresh bagel’ and ‘Dito (what he calls himself) wants cold milk’ and most adorable of all, ‘No thank you’ — he never uses ‘No’ alone, it’s always paired with ‘thank you.’”
    Three hours later, the Krims’ world shattered. An unspeakable horror with so many unanswered questions.


    CNN’s Deborah Feyerick, Logan Burruss and Brittany Brady contributed to this report.



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    This is a stark tragic murder and it does not matter a whit if the children were rich or poor. Just awful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJag View Post
    This is a stark tragic murder and it does not matter a whit if the children were rich or poor. Just awful.
    This. Or whether their parents chose to have a nanny. I can't imagine what this family is going through, yet these people are using this story as a spring board to gloat about their ill-informed notion that having a nanny makes you a bad parent. It's sick.
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    people are douchebags I am so sick of parents being judgmental morons about everything. You let your kid eat meat FOR SHAME, you let your kid watch tv FOR SHAME, you stay at home FOR SHAME, you work FOR SHAME ETC ETC ETC mind your own business and let other people tend theirs ffs
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    This breaks my heart. Something like this could happen to anyone, and the person who did it this time happend to be a nanny. So very sad for this family.

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    Yep, all the happiest, healthiest families are nanny-free. Just ask Andrea Yates.

    Ffs, it's a tragic freak occurrence, not a natural consequence of having childcare help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shedevilang View Post
    people are douchebags I am so sick of parents being judgmental morons about everything. You let your kid eat meat FOR SHAME, you let your kid watch tv FOR SHAME, you stay at home FOR SHAME, you work FOR SHAME ETC ETC ETC mind your own business and let other people tend theirs ffs
    I so agree with this so much. I swear if we did this, it might fix 75% of the world's problems.
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    CNBC Exec’s Children Murdered, 1 Day After CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit

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    This week financial news organization CNBC gave some mainstream attention to the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History, in which “Banksters” and their U.S. racketeering partners are being accused of laundering of 43 trillion dollars worth of ill gotten gains. The lawsuit is said to involve officials located in the highest offices of government and the financial sector.

    Since this information was surprisingly revealed by the mainstream news organization there has been a very suspicious and deadly fallout at the CNBC headquarters. Within hours the original page for the article was taken down, and CNBC senior vice president Kevin Krim received news that his children were killed under very suspicious circumstances. It seems that the murder happened first and then the page was removed later.


    According to mainstream accounts the children’s nanny is responsible for the murders, allegedly stabbing both children. However, those same mainstream news sources report the highly unlikely story that the nanny slit her own throat just after committing the homicides. Police have released very little information and although a wider plot has not been officially implicated, it seems very possible that these murders are a show of force against the press organization for releasing such damning information about the most powerful people in the world.


    Here is some more information about the lawsuit from the Wall Street Journal:


    “In the District Court lawsuit, Spire Law Group, LLP — on behalf of home owner across the Country and New York taxpayers, as well as under other taxpayer recompense laws — has expanded its mass tort action into federal court in Brooklyn, New York, seeking to halt all foreclosures nationwide pending the return of the $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000.00) by the “Banksters” and their co-conspirators, seeking an audit of the Fed and audits of all the “bailout programs” by an independent receiver such as Neil Barofsky, former Inspector General of the TARP program who has stated that none of the TARP money and other “bailout money” advanced from the Treasury has ever been repaid despite protestations to the contrary by the Defendants as well as similar protestations by President Obama and the Obama Administration both publicly on national television and more privately to the United States Congress. Because the Obama Administration has failed to pursue any of the “Banksters” criminally, and indeed is actively borrowing monies for Mr. Obama’s campaign from these same “Banksters” to finance its political aspirations, the national group of plaintiff home owners has been forced to now expand its lawsuit to include racketeering, money laundering and intentional violations of the Iranian Nations Sanctions and Embargo Act by the national banks included among the “Bankster” Defendants. ”


    Some of the alleged conspirators are Attorney General Holder, Assistant Attorney General Tony West, the brother in law of Defendant California Attorney General Kamala Harris, Jon Corzine (former New Jersey Governor), Robert Rubin (former Treasury Secretary and Bankster), Timothy Geitner, Treasury Secretary, Vikram Pandit (recently resigned and disgraced Chairman of the Board of Citigroup), Valerie Jarrett (a Senior White House Advisor), Anita Dunn (a former “communications director” for the Obama Administration), Robert Bauer (husband of Anita Dunn and Chief Legal Counsel for the Obama Re-election Campaign), as well as the “Banksters” themselves, and their affiliates and conduits.


    It is expected that all news on this subject will be removed from CNBC, and that other news organizations will be discouraged from covering such information. However, screen shots of the original CNBC article were taken to verify the authenticity of this story.


    Assassination and brute intimidation are common strategies for the ruling class to use on people who may threaten their agenda. This is the second situation this week in which a high level executive was the victim of a suspicious attack that seemed very much like an assassination. The Intel Hub just reported that Nicholas Mockford, a 60 year old British executive for the oil company ExxonMobil was shot dead in front of his wife in an assassination-style killing in Brussels. We will be keeping a close eye on both of these stories and provide more details as they become available.

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    *gulp*

    Well, with that much money involved, imo anything is possible.
    This bankster shit deserves its own thread, if it hasn't already got one.
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    Such a sad story. What beautiful children.

    Also, shame on the Daily Mail for printing pictures of the grieving mother in the ambulance. The press has no respect.

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