Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 32
Like Tree8Likes

Thread: Woman who attempted suicide while pregnant is accused of murder

  1. #1
    Super Moderator twitchy2.0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Milliways
    Posts
    53,574

    Default Woman who attempted suicide while pregnant is accused of murder

    Woman who attempted suicide while pregnant is accused of murder

    Ewen MacAskill in Washington
    guardian.co.uk, Friday 15 April 2011 16.23 BST

    Bei Bei Shuai is being held in jail in Indianapolis. Photograph: Michael Conroy/AP

    A woman accused of murdering her four-day-old baby girl by trying to kill herself with rat poison while pregnant has become a cause célèbre for US women's groups and civil liberties organisations.

    Bei Bei Shuai, 34, a restaurant owner who moved to the US from China 10 years ago, was pregnant and planning to marry her boyfriend until she learned late last year that he was already married and he would be abandoning her.

    A few days later, on 23 December, she went to a hardware store, bought rat poison pellets, went back to her flat in Indianapolis and swallowed some. But she did not die immediately and was persuaded by friends to go to hospital.

    She was given treatment to counteract the poison and gave birth on New Year's Eve, but her daughter, Angel, suffered seizures and died after four days.

    Shuai then had a second breakdown and spent a month in a psychiatric ward, after which she left to stay with friends and began rebuilding her life.

    But in March she was arrested and charged with murder and attempted foeticide. She now faces life imprisonment.

    "This case has huge implications for pregnant women, not only in Indiana but across the country," said Alexa Kolbi-Molinas, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union.

    "If we allowed the state to put a woman in jail for anything that could pose a risk to her pregnancy, there would be nothing to stop the police putting in jail a woman who has a drink of wine or who smokes. So where do you draw the line?"

    Kolbi-Molinas said there had been an alarming rise in the number of such cases across the US. Some women's groups put the rise down to pressure on prosecutors from anti-abortion groups.

    Shuai has been held in Marion County jail, Indianapolis, where she is segregated from other prisoners. She was last in court for a bail hearing on Wednesday but the judge, Sheila Carlisle, has not yet ruled whether she will be kept in custody. Carlisle is expected to begin hearing a motion for the case's dismissal next month.

    Linda Pence, Shuai's lawyer, described the decision to prosecute her as "horrible" and "outrageous". She disputes the prosecution's claim that the baby died from rat poison, saying that Shuai received a host of medicines at the hospital, many of which could have caused the death.

    The National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) group is helping to mount the defence.

    Kathrine Jack, a lawyer with the NAPW, who meets Shuai about once a week, said that after the initial suicide attempt, she had regained hope. "She has been on a rollercoaster," said the lawyer, who argued that women such as Shuai should, rather than being locked up, receive medical and psychiatric help.

    Jack, who has been involved in dozens of similar cases where women were charged as a result of incidents while pregnant, said: "Prosecutions like this are increasing in the US and are a result of anti-abortion rhetoric and movements that seek to give the foetus rights above and beyond those of women.

    "If it was allowed to stand, it would not outlaw abortion right away but it would be a significant step along the way."

    Dave Rimstidt, part of the prosecution team, said careful consideration had gone into the decision to charge Shuai.

    "This is a very unique case. Every charging decision is very difficult and goes through a process where we consider all the facts, all the circumstances, and under this situation, we believe we've charged the two charges we can prove," he said.

    Utah, Alabama, Mississippi, Iowa and South Carolina are among states to have pressed ahead with cases involving pregnant women and their foetuses, most of which have related to women taking illegal drugs during pregnancy.

    Woman who attempted suicide while pregnant is accused of murder | World news | The Guardian

    "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

    -- Stephen Hawking

  2. #2
    Elite Member MontanaMama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Evading P6 & P7
    Posts
    13,259

    Default

    And when will they be bringing charges against the man who impregnated her, lied to her and abandoned her? If there are consequences for her actions, surely there should be consequences for his.
    If i hear one more personal attack, i will type while drunk, then you can cry! - Bugdoll
    (716): I'd call her a cunt, but she doesn't seem to have the depth or warmth
    Quote Originally Posted by shedevilang View Post
    (Replying to MontanaMama) This is some of the smartest shit I ever read

  3. #3
    Elite Member Sarzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    England
    Posts
    13,801

    Default

    ^ That's a bit different to killing the baby by drinking poison though isn't it?! I really don't know what to think about the whole case though.
    Icepik and monk like this.

  4. #4
    Elite Member sputnik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    fellow traveller
    Posts
    50,847

    Default

    fucking retarded. shit like this makes my blood boil.
    Posted from my iPhone

  5. #5
    Elite Member MontanaMama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Evading P6 & P7
    Posts
    13,259

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    ^ That's a bit different to killing the baby by drinking poison though isn't it?! I really don't know what to think about the whole case though.
    Yes, I totally agree with that, but I am so very tired of one party running roughshod over another's life and then walking away with no consequences. I have very mixed feelings about this case, it just makes me so sad for this woman and child.
    If i hear one more personal attack, i will type while drunk, then you can cry! - Bugdoll
    (716): I'd call her a cunt, but she doesn't seem to have the depth or warmth
    Quote Originally Posted by shedevilang View Post
    (Replying to MontanaMama) This is some of the smartest shit I ever read

  6. #6
    Gold Member Snoopy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    North Pole
    Posts
    1,398

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMama View Post
    And when will they be bringing charges against the man who impregnated her, lied to her and abandoned her? If there are consequences for her actions, surely there should be consequences for his.
    I have to agree with this. A pregnant woman, all those hormones, and the asshole that drove her to despair has nothing to worry about?

    So wrong.

  7. #7
    Elite Member sputnik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    fellow traveller
    Posts
    50,847

    Default

    no one should be charged with anything. not him, not her.
    sometimes crap like this happens and there isn't always someone to blame and to try in court. it's fucking tragic enough as it is.
    I'm open to everything. When you start to criticise the times you live in, your time is over. - Karl Lagerfeld

  8. #8
    Elite Member sprynkles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    At the salon
    Posts
    17,534

    Default

    Fucking tragic sums it up perfectly. This is just sad all the way around.

    Meryl doesn't even try anymore. She just calls Lanvin and asks for curtains with a belt.~Bitter
    Can we interest you in Leann Rimes? She has a nice little cadre of fans you'd probably enjoy.~ Pecan Pie

  9. #9
    Elite Member Lobelia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    a backwards hillbilly state
    Posts
    20,801

    Default

    Ridiculous. Huge waste of resources to push an agenda.
    "I've cautiously embraced jeggings"
    Emma Peel aka Pacific Breeze aka Wilde1 aka gogodancer aka maribou

    Yip, yip, yip in your tiny indignation. Bark furiously on, lady dog.

  10. #10
    Elite Member Mel1973's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Cuntopia
    Posts
    42,951

    Default

    well, she DID kill a child. Her baby died because she ingested poison. After a certain point, you really have to take that into consideration. She wanted the man, she got knocked up and wanted the baby UNTIL the man didn't want her anymore... yeah, nobody should pay for the death of that child, I mean after all, her body, her baby, her decision, right?
    Kill him.
    Kill her.
    Kill It.
    Kill everything... that IS the solution!
    П(•_•)П
    twitchy molests my signature!

  11. #11
    Elite Member Trixie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    exiled and ostrich sized
    Posts
    16,629

    Default

    If she killed the baby after it was born, she'd be charged, right? And if someone killed her while pregnant, they'd be charged with 2 murders, correct?

    She's certainly not the first woman abandoned by a man and left to raise a child alone. Since when is that a defense?
    monk, southernbelle and Lalique like this.
    These people don't give a fuck about YOU or us. It's a message board, for Christ's sake. ~ mrs.v ~
    ~"Fuck off! Aim higher! Get a life! Get away from me!" ~the lovely and talented Miss Julia Roberts~



  12. #12
    Elite Member Sarzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    England
    Posts
    13,801

    Default

    ^ Correct. And like Mel said, after a certain point you have to take that into consideration, she killed her baby. You can't be nearly full term in your pregnancy and just decide to kill your baby. Yeah, it's her body but if there's a baby that is of the stage where it can be born it's not just about the mother!
    She was hardly of sound mind however, that's my problem with this.
    monk and Lalique like this.

  13. #13
    Elite Member Mel1973's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Cuntopia
    Posts
    42,951

    Default

    Oh, she was mentally unwell and disillusioned and depressed for sure, I'm just not going to say that gives her a right to kill. I'd give her more of a pass if she'd killed the guy.. and I know that sounds shitty too.
    Kill him.
    Kill her.
    Kill It.
    Kill everything... that IS the solution!
    П(•_•)П
    twitchy molests my signature!

  14. #14
    Elite Member Sarzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    England
    Posts
    13,801

    Default

    No I don't think it gives her a right either, but it gives more of an explanation as to why she did it.

  15. #15
    Elite Member Aella's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Greece
    Posts
    8,899

    Default

    This is ridiculous. Clearly she was facing serious mental health issues, to even consider charging her is a joke.
    Honey likes this.
    "Remember to always be yourself. Unless you suck." - Joss Whedon

    "The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance." -Benjamin Franklin

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Britney Spears attempted suicide twice
    By marie in forum Latest Gossip
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: June 20th, 2008, 12:41 PM
  2. 6 accused of killing pregnant Illinois woman
    By celeb_2006 in forum News
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: March 11th, 2008, 07:15 PM
  3. Replies: 41
    Last Post: February 5th, 2008, 07:53 PM
  4. Replies: 38
    Last Post: February 2nd, 2008, 04:04 AM
  5. Pete Doherty attempted suicide in rehab?
    By Honey in forum Latest Gossip
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: October 8th, 2007, 04:39 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •