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    This kid never stood a chance. It highlights the problem of how to deal with serious offenders this young. I suspect that the damage is too profound for him to ever be rehabilitated so we either lock him up forever or release him in due course and pray he doesn't offend again. Personally, I wouldn't risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    [...] Jon Venables was returned to prison and is being held indefinitely after repeatedly breaching the terms of his release by returning to Merseyside, revealing his real identity to people and, sickeningly, being found in possession of child pornography.
    Indefinitely? I thought the arsehole judge accepted that evil fuck's claims of "remorse" for the child pornography charge, and reduced his sentence to less than 3 years? If he's been jailed indefinitely, then you've made my day Kitty!
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    I'm not sure this kid could have been aborted. His mother had him at 12. At that age it's quite possible the pregnancy wasn't discovered until it was too late. But the authorities really shouldn't have let her and her druggie mother keep the kid.

    Also, just probation for impregnating an 11 year old at 25 for his father? Seriously, just probation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kat Scorp View Post
    Indefinitely? I thought the arsehole judge accepted that evil fuck's claims of "remorse" for the child pornography charge, and reduced his sentence to less than 3 years? If he's been jailed indefinitely, then you've made my day Kitty!
    There have been reports to that effect, Kat, but as usual the Home Office hasn't confirmed or denied anything. I do know that he was eligible for parole in July but the fact that we haven't had anyone leaking it to the press that he was out again makes me think that the initial reports of an indefinite sentence were correct. It's ironic that in Court it was Thompson who received the harshest criticism for showing a lack of remorse, while Venables played it for all he was worth. As I said before, as far as I know Thompson has stayed out of the public eye and not re-offended whereas Venables has been in and out of trouble. Aside from the crimes that led to him being locked up again he's also been done for affray and cocaine possession, and those are just the things he was caught doing.

    Personally I think they should let him out of prison now, but only if they tattoo "I AM JON VENABLES" on his forehead and drop him in the center of Liverpool on a Saturday afternoon.
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    This is a horrendous tragedy. That kid never stood a chance. His story is very sad, it makes me so angry at his mother and grandmother (who should have gotten her daughter an abortion or put it up for adoption but she was probably too cracked out!).

    I've been watching a series lately about infamous violent offenders, and all of them so far (except maybe one I think) have come from terrible backgrounds like this, it is very sad as they could have been normal citizens given the chance but were born into horrible situations. Sometimes it's nature and sometimes it's nurture which creates evil imo.

    I doubt this boy can be rehabilitated. Perhaps in the distant future with a lot of help which I hope he gets, but even then I would not want him released. People with these backgrounds who end up offending like this re-offend the majority of the time. It's very sad to write him off as irreparable, but what else can you do. Maybe when he is much older but not for a looooong time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    I don't know what to make of this. A part of me thinks that it's wrong to write a child off and imprison them for the rest of their life but then a part of me wonders whether the immense emotional and psychological damage done to him over the course of his life is too great to ever be undone and prevent him from being a danger should he be released.
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    i'm with mcjag and mohandas. no way this kid can be fixed. it's not his fault but there's just nothing that can be done.
    I'm afraid you guys are right. For sure he should not be tried as an adult or sent to a standard prison--more appropriate would be a psychiatric facility like our Atascadero or Napa State Hospitals. I'm pretty sure that is where he will end up, probably for life. He probably has attachment disorder in addition to a gazillion other issues...far as I know that one ain't fixable any more than sociopathy.

    His whole life is an epic tragedy. Imho, the only people in this story who deserve to be locked up for life in a REAL prison are his mother, his grandmother and his shitbag of a father.

    If it were up to me personally, the side of me that goes absolutely berserk at the sight of a child being abused might just line them up and call the firing squad.

    For fuck's sake, if you do not want a child then either abort it or find some nice person who cannot have one and GIVE IT AWAY. What the hell is wrong with people that they can't do something so elementary. It boggles my mind. They'll give away a dog they don't want to bother with without a second thought, but a child, oh no, they'll keep a child and torture it. WTF.
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    I think it's a real dilemma knowing what to do with a kid like this. But no part of me can ever agree to locking a 13 year old up for life. He needs proper help not life in jail, whether that will do anything probably not, but there's not many options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarzy View Post
    I think it's a real dilemma knowing what to do with a kid like this. But no part of me can ever agree to locking a 13 year old up for life. He needs proper help not life in jail, whether that will do anything probably not, but there's not many options.
    The only option I can see is never letting him have another chance to prey on people. Too many are given second chances and the public pays a hefty price. We see that so many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittylady View Post
    I don't know what to make of this. A part of me thinks that it's wrong to write a child off and imprison them for the rest of their life but then a part of me wonders whether the immense emotional and psychological damage done to him over the course of his life is too great to ever be undone and prevent him from being a danger should he be released.
    He has all the makings of a sociopath.

    Sad, sad, sad. I hope he finds some peace somehow.

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    I think the mother, grandmother and, to a lesser degree the abandoning father who probably hasn't been involved in the child's life, should be charged with murder. In effect, the murder that happened is a direct result of their actions or lack of actions. It is a result of their parenting or lack of parenting. That 2 year old baby died because of them and what they have done to that boy. Seriously, they should be charged.
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    Cristian Fernandez's mother pleads guilty in death of 2-year-old son
    Biannela Susana admits neglect after finding David Galarraga unconscious.
    Posted: March 28, 2012 - 9:22am | Updated: March 29, 2012 - 6:11am


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    Biannela Susana, the mother of 13-year-old Jacksonville murder defendant Cristian Fernandez, enters the courtroom after conferring with her attorney in the jury room. Susana pleaded guilty this morning to aggravated manslaughter in death of her 2-year-old son. The guilty plea came during a pre-trial hearing that was suddenly changed from next week to this morning before Circuit Judge James H. Daniel, with prosecutor Mark Caliel and defense attorney Shawn Arnold present. The hearing was in the Duval County Courthouse on Wednesday March 28, 2012.

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    By Jim Schoettler
    Biannela Susana, the mother of 13-year-old Jacksonville murder defendant Cristian Fernandez, pleaded guilty Wednesday in the death of her 2-year-old son and briefly testified about neglecting him.

    The most startling revelation during the 20-minute court hearing was that Susana waited nearly eight hours to take David Galarraga to the hospital after arriving home to find him unconscious. She initially told police she waited two hours while researching information about head trauma on the Internet.

    Susana’s plea to aggravated manslaughter came during a pre-trial court hearing before Circuit Judge James H. Daniel. She faces a minimum of 13 years in prison up to 30 years. A sentencing date has not been set.

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    It’s unclear what implications Susana’s plea will have in the case against Fernandez, who is accused of killing his half brother after slamming him into a bookshelf in their apartment in March 2011. Prosecutor Mark Caliel said she could be called as a witness by both the state and the defense. A date for the murder trial has not been set.

    Caliel said he learned a few days ago that Susana, 26, had decided to plead guilty. The state offered nothing in return, Caliel said.

    “We’re pleased with the plea because it’s the first step toward achieving justice for David,” Caliel said.

    Susana, dressed in a gray jail jumpsuit, handcuffs and leg shackles, admitted to her role in the death and previous neglect under brief questioning by Caliel. She answered most questions with a quiet “yes” or “no.”

    When asked by the judge whether she was pleading guilty because she was guilty, Susana, 26, said it was in her “best interest.” Her attorney, Shawn Arnold, declined to say why she decided to plead guilty. Arnold said Susana remains worried about Fernandez.

    “She continues to hope for the best for him,” he said.

    Caliel said on the day of David’s death, Susana went to a nearby bank, leaving him and a sister, about 4 years old, alone with Fernandez. Caliel said Fernandez called her to say that David had been injured in a fall from a bunk bed, which Susana later told authorities.

    “I went back home,” Susana testified Wednesday. “He [David] was unconscious.”

    She also said David had blood coming from his nose and her attempts to revive him failed.

    Caliel said Susana arrived home shortly after 9 a.m. and didn’t take David to the hospital until about 5 p.m., though he remained unresponsive. A police report said she put ice on his head and turned to websites for information about head injuries, which was later verified by a police search of her computer. She told police she waited about two hours for the boy to wake up before she took him to a hospital, according to the report.

    She then drove David to St. Luke’s Hospital. He was taken by helicopter to Shands Jacksonville and pronounced brain dead from repeated blunt force trauma to the head, Caliel said.

    Caliel explained after the hearing that there are two differing theories of culpability for Susana and Fernandez in David’s death.

    He said Fernandez was left in the sole care and custody of David and is accused of inflicting the injury that caused the death. He is charged with first-degree murder.

    Caliel said Susana was neglectful for failing to act appropriately in seeking medical attention for his head injuries in March. He said she also failed to provide appropriate supervision and care for David during that day having known that two months earlier Fernandez broke David’s leg.

    Caliel said Susana lied to authorities about the January incident — she initially said it occurred in a playground accident — to keep the Department of Children and Families from taking her children. Caliel said Susana waited two days to seek medical attention for the broken leg. He said that and her failure to get him help for hours in March established a pattern of neglect.

    Police said at the time of her arrest that Susana’s negligence was a factor in David’s death. A doctor told police the boy might have survived his injuries, including a skull fracture, had Susana not waited to get medical help.

    One of Fernandez’s attorneys, Hank Coxe, said Wednesday that Susana’s delay in taking him to the hospital in March caused David’s death. Coxe said he was puzzled that she was allowed to plead guilty to a lesser charge than her son now faces.

    “We will deal with this in the courtroom,” Coxe said.

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    This woman was covering the actions of her older son by not taking the baby to the doctor in two separate incidents. She was also covering herself so CPS wouldn't take her children away. I kind of feel for her position, but that is no excuse for her actions. I feel for EVERYONE in this story except for the father and stepfathers who were so fucking rotten.
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    Could the authorities do at least ONE thing right here and make sure that the 5-year-old half brother and 4-year-old sister receive intensive counseling so that they can deal with the trauma of living in a house of horrors, and possibly prevent becoming predators themselves?
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    Every, single person failed this kid. This kid should have been taken away at birth. A 12 year old with a cracked out mother of her own can not care for a baby, hell, a 12 year old can't take care of a baby. This is so disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    He has all the makings of a sociopath.

    Sad, sad, sad. I hope he finds some peace somehow.
    He really does, his behavior and upbringing are textbook sociopath. In fact, it's like a future serial killer's background. My heart breaks for this kid, he was set up for a life of misery at conception. His mother was also set up for a shitty life as well. And a poor baby died in the middle of all of this. I agree with the others that question whether his psyche has been damaged beyond repair. I feel that a permanent hospital setting would be better for him than life in prison.

    So awful, it's not fair at all.

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