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    So, to put the California system of jurisprudence in perspective:

    1. 20-year-olds Lyle and Erik Menendez were very nearly acquitted of murdering their parents in California on the basis of self defense,

    but

    2. A 10-year-old son of a gun-packing Neo Nazi was found guilty of murdering his father in California. And self defense, or fear of abuse was not a mitigating factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MohandasKGanja View Post
    So, to put the California system of jurisprudence in perspective:

    1. 20-year-olds Lyle and Erik Menendez were very nearly acquitted of murdering their parents in California on the basis of self defense,

    but

    2. A 10-year-old son of a gun-packing Neo Nazi was found guilty of murdering his father in California. And self defense, or fear of abuse was not a mitigating factor.

    And the answer is money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greysfang View Post
    And the answer is money.
    Sadly, that's definitely one of the answers.....

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    I hope they choose to send him to a treatment centre. You don't want to have to release an angrier version of him at 23. Not that the treatment will necessarily work, but what's the options?
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    For 13 years its doubtful he will go to a treatment center for that long, no state can afford it. On the positive side, in most jurisdictions counseling with a mental health professional is required for juveniles locked up for extended periods, so he should get some sort of therapy.
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    ^I don't think "some" therapy will cut it. I think that kid needs a shitload of therapy, if there's any chance he will turn out normal.

    But then, my mind is still reeling by the fact prosecuting a ten-year-old as an adult is even a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popsicle View Post
    Legal age of responsibility is 10 and the age of reasoning judgment is 6
    Only in America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esco View Post
    Only in America

    actually, no.
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    A separate hearing will be held to determine whether the boy should be sent to a juvenile detention center run by the state Department of Corrections, sent to an alternative treatment facility or placed on probation.
    So he was found guilty, but no punishment has been decided, right? I would hope they go for a combo of tx(the kid obviously needs it) and probation. He might be salvagable now-if he goes to a juvie corrections facility(which are still little prisons, and at least in Ohio, as dangerous if not more so than adult prisons and breeding grounds for adult criminals) he will be beyond help.

    Hope the 'father' is roasting in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witchcurlgirl View Post
    actually, no
    Acerbia too??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esco View Post
    Acerbia too??

    Here we believe that anyone over the age of 2 can be executed. And most should be.

    Seriously, we are barbarians here in the US with what we do to children regarding crime, but many countries use 10 or under as the legal age of responsibility.(which is different than charging them as an adult)
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    This kind of thing is just awful. What has this kid seen in his short time on this planet? Can he ever be normal? I certainly have no answers. I just don't think he should be locked up, thrown away and forgotten about.

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    Poor kid, he was really dealt a tough hand from birth....

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    Boy Who Shot Neo-Nazi Dad Sentenced to 10 Years in Juvenile Detention




    Joseph Hall, who was just 10 years old when he put a gun to his father's ear and pulled the trigger in 2011, was sentenced to 10 years in juvenile detention today in California.

    Hall was convicted of second-degree murder in January. He told authorities that he killed his dad, the neo-Nazi leader Jeff Hall, because his parents were getting a divorce and he didn't want to have to make a decision about who to live with. NBC News reports that Joseph was physically abused as a child and afflicted with behavioral issues.

    The judge ruled today that Joseph will be eligible for parole in seven years and that the latest he can be released is when he's 23.

    Apparently the fourth-grader — who, like his nine-year-old sister, knew where all of his parents' guns were kept — took a Rossi .357 revolver from a closet early one morning:

    [Redacted] told Detective [Roberta] Hopewell that he went downstairs with the gun, pulled the hammer back, aimed the gun at his dad's ear while he was asleep and shot him. [Redacted] said he went upstairs and hid the gun under his bed.


    As for why:

    [Redacted]... admitted during the interview that he was tired of his dad hitting him and his [step-]mom. [He] said he thought his dad was cheating on his [step=]mom and thought he might have to choose which person he would live with.

    The scene on the detective's arrival didn't paint a picture of domestic bliss, either. The Hall house was reportedly "filthy." "The bedrooms smelled like urine," the report explains, and the bedding — including the mattresses — was "stained and soiled." The decoration downstairs: A National Socialist Movement flag and a California Republic flag.

    And the guns. The court document is part of a case against the boy's stepmother, Krista McCary, for child endangerment and failure to properly store a firearm; the detective account confirms that not only did Hall and McCary keep several weapons, but that "three out of the four children" knew the (easily-accessible) location of the .357 revolver.

    Given the apparent physical abuse, where was Child Protective Services? According to the report, the agency had "numerous contacts" with the Hall-McCary household but "most of the allegations were unfounded" — reported as part of a "bitter child custody dispute" between Hall and his ex-wife. Clearly, CPS will be playing a role going forward. The boy, for his part, will go a court-ordered mental-health evaluation soon.
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    Poor baby. I hope he gets the help he needs.
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