Panache Report "AIDS" 10/10/08

[SSDiva]

Actually, the numbers are high due to idiotic thinking that they can't get it. If you talk to people who are uneducated to how HIV is contracted, some believe that only gay people contract HIV, or that you can't get it through oral sex.. which is stupidly dangerous. Then, you have people who go outside of their relationships and bring these diseases back to their partners.

[Dixie Normos]

Originally Posted by southernbelle

Just wondering, how did they become infected? Do they know, or was it just a shock for both of them?

Actually, one of the students asked 'who got it first and passed it to who?' but they refused to say. Told us it wasn't important, that they had already dealt with THAT issue, and were there any more questions?

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by SSDiva

Actually, the numbers are high due to idiotic thinking that they can't get it. If you talk to people who are uneducated to how HIV is contracted, some believe that only gay people contract HIV, or that you can't get it through oral sex.. which is stupidly dangerous. Then, you have people who go outside of their relationships and bring these diseases back to their partners.

How did we go from ultra-scared in the 80s and early 90s to absolute stupidity now? I think many believe that the cocktail will keep them alive and would rather risk getting it than having safe sex. I know it isn't from a lack of education.

[Bellatheball]

This is all disgusting. It really is. I find it offensive though that he suggests being gang raped by other men makes you "adjusted" to homosexual sex. WTF. Being gang rape doesn't adjust you to anything other than being angry, mistrustful and terrified (one would presume).

[SSDiva]

Originally Posted by tkdgirl

How did we go from ultra-scared in the 80s and early 90s to absolute stupidity now? I think many believe that the cocktail will keep them alive and would rather risk getting it than having safe sex. I know it isn't from a lack of education.

Yes, I can tell you that's what they think because I worked for a community health outreach program.. when trying to educate people about HIV and AIDS I was completely dumbfucked with the things I heard. Some of these people wouldn't come in for testing, so no they aren't waiting on a miracle cocktail. Through this program, I've worked with clean needle programs, the education of married women who recently discovered that they were HIV+...some through prenatal screenings etc.. the most uneducated were the married women. So unless you came face to face with some of these people, you can't tell me whats out there..when I know personally!! That job took a lot out of me emotionally and I don't usually mention it to anyone..but I cannot let the absolute wrong information get out there..when I witnessed it first hand. Do you know what it's like to promise five women in one day that you'd get tested with them so that they would feel comfortable? or what it's like to hear a 60 yo woman's questions of how did she get this, when she has been married and faithful for 35+ years??

Yeah, all those people want to live with a deadly virus on cocktails...how absurd!

ETA: Ignorance in the 90's wasn't being ultra-scared..it was lack of educating yourself how it is transmitted. It was Reagan who ignored the CDC, and other organizations outcry about this disease..if he had only paid attention early on, think how HIV could've been contained!!

[Honey]

Originally Posted by Bellatheball

This is all disgusting. It really is. I find it offensive though that he suggests being gang raped by other men makes you "adjusted" to homosexual sex. WTF. Being gang rape doesn't adjust you to anything other than being angry, mistrustful and terrified (one would presume).

Yes, a few things are abit iffy in this one.

[sparkly]

Originally Posted by Bellatheball

This is all disgusting. It really is. I find it offensive though that he suggests being gang raped by other men makes you "adjusted" to homosexual sex. WTF. Being gang rape doesn't adjust you to anything other than being angry, mistrustful and terrified (one would presume).

ITA. It would be the same thing as saying that little girls who are raped grow comfortable with it over time.

[tkdgirl]

Originally Posted by SSDiva

Yes, I can tell you that's what they think because I worked for a community health outreach program.. when trying to educate people about HIV and AIDS I was completely dumbfucked with the things I heard. Some of these people wouldn't come in for testing, so no they aren't waiting on a miracle cocktail. Through this program, I've worked with clean needle programs, the education of married women who recently discovered that they were HIV+...some through prenatal screenings etc.. the most uneducated were the married women. So unless you came face to face with some of these people, you can't tell me whats out there..when I know personally!! That job took a lot out of me emotionally and I don't usually mention it to anyone..but I cannot let the absolute wrong information get out there..when I witnessed it first hand. Do you know what it's like to promise five women in one day that you'd get tested with them so that they would feel comfortable? or what it's like to hear a 60 yo woman's questions of how did she get this, when she has been married and faithful for 35+ years??

Yeah, all those people want to live with a deadly virus on cocktails...how absurd!

ETA: Ignorance in the 90's wasn't being ultra-scared..it was lack of educating yourself how it is transmitted. It was Reagan who ignored the CDC, and other organizations outcry about this disease..if he had only paid attention early on, think how HIV could've been contained!!

Well I think there was a lot about AIDS we didn't know in the early stages. BUT... I do know that we were taught about it in high school- and the entire safe sex thing too.

My brother, a former ER orderly/medic, was accidentally stabbed by a needled used on an AIDS patient. The patient came into the ER seizing/freaking out basically, and after they administered drugs, the patient grabbed the syringe and started stabbing wildly before the drugs took affect. He got stabbed. He was scared outta his mind and had to be tested for years.

I do think a lot of young people today think they are 'supermen/women' and that if they contract AIDS (or anything else) there's always a pill for it. Stupidity knows no gender, race, demographic, etc. I see rich, white kids with the same indestructible attitude.

As a child of the 80s, I can tell you that it was fear that kept me and my friends celibate. Even though we knew about safe sex, we knew the best chance of not getting AIDS was to not have sex at all. It wasn't worth the risk. And now I see people my own age going bareback, rough dog, whatever... and it makes me ill.

[Bellatheball]

tkd, I agree with a lot of that. I'm only in my mid 30s but I grew up with a lot of people who were not only terrified of AIDs and other STD/STIs but were terrified of pregnancy. That kept a lot of us away from sex. It seems now that people think absintence is a ridiculous notion and one that no one would ever agree to. Maybe not but it was an ok option for me and my friends. I have to say we all had far fewer headaches than I read about here. No one was faced with life changing disease, unwanted pregnancies or explaining to a significant other why they had to take Valtrex.

[judejack]

Update from Panache:

It's not T.I.

Paris wrote:
Actor Dack Rambo who co-starred on Dallas and on the soap opera All My Children before his death (from AIDS) is quoted as saying, "There is not such thing as safe sex, you can only practice safer."

People, please protect yourselves, this is serious and AIDS is ravaging the black community yet many of our black churches across this country still refuse to discuss this topic.

A black woman who said she got infected on TV, said she had to go to the gay community for information, similar to the information being shared on this board because the black community had no information in her city despite the fact, it was affected the most by this deadly virus.

For those of you who have lost loved ones and friends, you our in our prayers and we thank you for sharing your stories and please continue to do so.

If this thread can save lives and/or change the reckless behavior of young and old people, then we would have accomplished something.

We have received emails from young women since this BI appeared on Friday vowing that they will be change their personal behavior.

Sadly, this BI was edited, a part two featuring three more cases will appear in the near future.

[RevellingInSane]

In a science class, safe sex was exposed as the myth it is. The retrovirus which causes HIV is much smaller than the natural holes found in latex, which is porous when observed under a high powered microscope. Lambskin condoms have even larger naturally occurring holes.

[sprynkles]

I did not know about Dack Rambo passing from AIDS.
It completely freaks me out to watch a show like Maury
Povich (yes I watch it with glee sometimes!) and there
are soooo many people out there not using ANY protection
with many many many many different people and bringing
all these fatherless babies into the world.
I remember before AIDS came out, we were all deathly affraid
of the herp and VD. Ah the lost days of innocence.