Celebzter- blind item 08/28/2012

[SuriCruise]

They're both abusive assholes. Even if she did hit/slap him, he took it to a whole new level and was basically trying to do as much damage to her as he could. They're both crazy. They shouldn't be together but at least then they aren't inflicted on anyone else.

[mostroop]

I don' t get the hate for rhianna. I pity her for being in love with her abuser. Some of you make it seem like she deserved that and I doubt anything she did was enough to warrant that reaction no matter how "skanky" you think she is. Hate him, but why hate the victim?

Was she beaten up? Yes.

Would I call her a victim (in this instance)? NO.

When you start a fist fight & get beaten up, you don't magically become a victim. You were the aggressor, you just lost the fight.

If he hit her first & she beat him up, would you be calling him a victim?

They're both abusive assholes. Even if she did hit/slap him, he took it to a whole new level and was basically trying to do as much damage to her as he could. They're both crazy. They shouldn't be together but at least then they aren't inflicted on anyone else.

I agree.

[faithanne]

Sorry but I think that's bullshit. If she slapped him/hit him whatever, he could have dealt with it differently. No way she is stronger than him, so it's not like he beat her black and blue out of self defence. So yes, she's a victim. If I hit a guy then I'm an idiot, but it doesn't mean I deserve to have the daylights beaten out of me.

[SuriCruise]

Totally agree he should have dealt with it differently. If she hits her boyfriends she is abusive, but like I was trying to say that doesn't warrant him hitting her back. He has major issues and is a violent asshole. He was totally in the wrong, but they both seem abusive if that makes sense.

[faithanne]

^I agree, I was responding to the posters who say she's not a victim.

[Waterslide]

Was she beaten up? Yes.

Would I call her a victim (in this instance)? NO.

When you start a fist fight & get beaten up, you don't magically become a victim. You were the aggressor, you just lost the fight.

If he hit her first & she beat him up, would you be calling him a victim?

Yeah, I don't get this either. I don't understand how someone who was beaten as badly as Rihanna was is not a victim. I agree she shouldn't be hitting him either, but seriously? He plead to felony assault. If she was beaten up then, ipso facto, she is a victim.

As for your last question, yes, if she beat him up, I would call him a victim, who wouldn't?

[mostroop]

I don't think he should have hit her back. I have said it already. I still would not consider her a victim.

My son had a GF who hit him, he never hit her back (I would have been extremely disappointed in him if he had). He also did not take my advice & break up with her after the first time. He thought it was no big deal because her hits did not hurt. He finally did break up with her, after realizing that in her family, her mom abused her dad.
Ugly, horrible, abusive family.
I tell all my children, the first hit needs to be the last. Leave the situation & never see that abuser again.

[faithanne]

What does any of that have to do with whether or not she's a victim?

[mostroop]

I guess I don't believe that a person who initiates a fight, whether they win, or lose, is a victim.

[SuriCruise]

Yeah but she probably didn't initiate it expecting a full on, head to the dashboard, ear biting, vicious beatdown that she had no way to defend herself from....

I don't even like Rihanna at all, can't believe I am defending her. She was a victim at his hands, and to a much lesser degree he was a victim at hers. Her slapping him isn't okay but she didn't try to maul him like he did to her.

[Waterslide]

mostroop, I'm not being argumentative, but what is your definition of the word victim then?

Suri, I agree. Hitting anyone is wrong, but if one person punches another person, that doesn't give the other person the right to beat the first person down to a pulp.

[McJag]

^ I hate to sound rude. Apologies if so but did you read my post? She isnt the victim. She hit him as well and, in fact, started this whole mess. Theyre both guilty.

I also hate to sound rude, but this seems wrong. He used a steamroller to kill an ant. She slapped him and threw his car keys. That was not nice, but did no damage. He was in no danger from her and he knew it. He was bigger & stronger and also knew that. What he did was unforgivable. Did you see her face? We all did. He could have killed her. She is a victim.
The guilt is far from equal.
Let me put this another way.
If I had been there and he had beaten me up, I would have returned with my trusty firearm. After a few well placed bullets and after he was carted off to the hospital and/or morgue THEN you could call him a victim. Law here might call it self defense. After all,he started it.

[mostroop]

mostroop, I'm not being argumentative, but what is your definition of the word victim then?

Suri, I agree. Hitting anyone is wrong, but if one person punches another person, that doesn't give the other person the right to beat the first person down to a pulp.

I guess for me a victim needs to be innocent of wrong-doing in the altercation.

I fully believe he should have been prosecuted, because no one has the right to beat someone up like that.

I am not sure if I am explaining myself correctly.

[faithanne]

OK, just say a kid stole a packet of chewing gum and the store owner caught him and instead of calling the cops he puts a bullet through the kid's head. Does that mean the kid's not a victim?

[mostroop]

I would not equate stealing a pack of gum with hitting someone, nor would I equate beating someone up with shooting them to death.

apples & oranges. Extremes like these make no sense, you cannot compare the two.