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    I have the same problem, and it's always bothered me too. I had been thinking about the Botox, but haven't heard about this.
    If I had the money I would do it.

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    hi dead dwarf. i have exactly the same problem as you have.
    did you decide to do the procedure at least?

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    ^ I actually went to a specialist today, well, technically yesterday (Monday).

    He works in cosmetic and reconstructive facial/oral surgery. He says he does the lip lowering surgery I posted about here, but says I am not the best candidate for it. He actually says it would be better for me to get crown lengthening and veneers.

    He said my teeth are too short so it makes my gums look even bigger. Yes, they are shorter than normal and it's very noticeable because next to my gums they look like tiny, but I was hoping the lip lowering surgery would make it less noticeable (which according to him, won't).

    And also my gums are show more than normal when I smile (4 mm, instead of 1-2mm). The crown lengthening will help "shorten" my gummy smile and provide more area for veneers so my teeth look normal in size.

    So the surgery I originally looked into would cost about the same as crown lengthening and veneers. My insurance won't cover the crown lengthening, but the veneers would cost me $325/each and I would need to do 6 teeth (upper canine to canine).

    I was worried about having horse teeth and losing my healthy teeth, but he said my teeth wouldn't look that way at all because they are shorter than most people's and that they would shave barely any tooth away. The veneers would need to be replace every 10-15+ years though.

    I knew my upper teeth were short, they are also really squared shaped with sharp edges. It's because before I got my orthodontics, I grinded my teeth badly so they wore down and were already a weird shape. I had a horrible bite that did some unreversible damage.

    I don't know what I am going to do. I am leaning towards veneers/crown lengthening, because even with the lip surgery, my teeth will still look short.... especially my teeth next to the big front ones, they look too small in my mouth.

    UGH! I wish I could have perfect sized and shaped teeth like my husband!!!!

    I'm just glad I got orthodontics, they were worth it. My teeth and bite are perfect so my teeth aren't wearing down anymore and even if I get veneers, it's not like I am covering up a serious (bite/alignment/etc) problem.

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    Sounds like you got good advice. Should make major difference.
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    DD, botox wouldn't be anywhere near that amount for just that one spot. But you may find other spots you'd like a little help with..

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    hi saraab,
    congratulations to your new beautiful smile! it really looks a lot better than before. your smile was very gummy indeed, i think i'm a less severe case. my main problem is not only that the upper lip is a little too short, but that it's rolling up inside the mouth when laughing what makes the smile look very gummy.
    i'm interested in your case because i'm also from europe (germany)! can you tell me how much you paid in total (flight, accomodation, operation)? i'm also considering to do the procedure and i hope it's not that expensive because the dollar is low these days i would do it next year maybe because first i have to correct my teeth with braces again and i don't know if i can wear them properly together with an operated upper lip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saraab View Post
    DD--- you should email pics of your smile to Dr. Farnoosh and see what he says ...in my research for a good specialist I found a lot of people who said they can do lip lowering but who then tried to sell me on crown lengthening -- and I later found out that they dont know how to do the lip lowering procedure....just my two cents worth....
    I already emailed him last month. I sent him my pictures and he called me personally and we spoke for about 15 minutes. He also stated that my teeth were short and that I would want to look into veneers and/or gum contouring even if he does my surgery so I can have longer teeth.

    Farnoosh was very nice and answered all my questions. I told him I wasn't going to drive to Beverly Hills unless I spoke with him first and felt like it was a possible option for me. (that's why he gave me his email and called me). If anyone wants to send him your pictures, you have to call his office first because it's not listed anywhere on his site.

    And the specialist I saw yesterday actually does the lip repositioning surgery, he showed me his pictures of the surgery and had pamphlets explaining how he did it. He could make more money off of me doing it, but said he would refuse to do it on someone with my mouth. He said, "It's not a gum or lip problem, it's a TOOTH problem."

    Glad it worked out for you though, congrats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saraab View Post
    Hi All--

    I just travelled from London and saw Dr. Farnoosh for the gummy smile procedure in Beverly Hills. I was very nervous about having someone modify my smile -- but its been a few months now and you can already see a big difference. I am very happy with the results, and my new smile. I used to cover my mouth when I laughed, and in pictures I wouldnt show my teeth because I wanted to hide my big gummy smile. Everyone tells me I am much more confident and happy when I smile.

    This is my Before and After Picture: The Total Smile Gallery – Beverly Hills Dentist Dr. Alex A. Farnoosh

    By the way, for those of you considering who to see I recommend you go to the best....Dr. Farnoosh is a great guy and an excellent surgeon, I felt very little discomfort. I did a lot of research and he is definitely one of the leading specialists in the world for the lip lowering procedure. Also, when I calculated the difference in price, especially considering the US Dollar is much lower than the Pound, it was an easy decision for me to travel to LA to see him.

    Anyways, good luck to all.

    Hello there Sara/Simon/Shimon(typo?)/Alison/whatever the fuck your name is who traveled from London/Atlanta/lives in LA/lives where the fuck ever.

    "I have always had dark blotches on my gums which I felt always made me less pretty when I smiled, after reading about the gum lightening procedure here I flew from Atlanta to LA and saw Dr. Farnoosh to have the treatment. The blotches on my gums are now a more natural pink color. I am very happy I selected this treatment and Dr Farnoosh was very kind. I thought I would share...Thanks for everyone's posts.

    If anyone wants to see my before and after -- here is my case:
    My before and After photos from Dr. Farnoosh"
    How to turn dark brown gums to pink?

    Funny how different your teeth look in all your different posts.

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    Good work,Twitchy. Good bye,Saraab!
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    LOL, I was suspicous of that poster, but I didn't do my research... so I felt bad calling him/her out on their BS.


    Update guys: Not doing the surgery and/or anything to my teeth this year. Hubby's work has slowed down so I am using my teeth savings to supplement our income (as needed).

    Maybe I'll get my gums fixed next year or the following if things get better. It bums me out, but I want to make sure the family is okay before I spend any money on myself. I've already waited this long, I can wait another year or two.

    I hope I've helped out some of you though with my little journey!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDwarf View Post
    Update guys: Not doing the surgery and/or anything to my teeth this year. Hubby's work has slowed down so I am using my teeth savings to supplement our income (as needed).
    Sorry to hear about the unexpected need to prioritize other stuff in the budget
    Have you really considered botox?
    I noticed at the start of the thread that you did or someone mentioned it (sorry, didn't read the entire thread), but that you preferred something permanent.

    I don't know... I have the same problem and I actually feared to do something permanent and expensive so I went for botox first. The bad part is that it is not permanent, of course, the good that you see how you would look like and then realize how worth is the surgery or not.
    I am saying this because I know another girl with a gummy smile who had the surgery done and it certainly gave her a nice smile but balanced off the distance nose-mouth and somehow she has a nicer smile, but a weirder expression... she is less pretty. Her smile was not pretty, but now it's like something in her face is off.

    That scared me off and I went for botox. And I have been doing it for two years. I am not sure I will have the surgery. I would need more money, more time, and I am not sure of how the result would be. With botox I have had good results and no downtime.
    Because the amount used there oftentimes is not as much as in other areas (to not risk to mess up your mouth muscles in general), it tends to be less expensive (well, than the application in the forehead, say).

    I am not from your country (I am in South America) but I have it done for around 50 dollars because of the units I use... BTW, the good part is that the muscle tends to weaken over time and each time it seems to last more and me to need less units to go back to where I want my smile to be.

    One warning: if the doc does not calculate well the units, you can end up with a slightly assymetrical smile. My doc the first time around injected the same amount of units, but obviously each "side" of my mouth's muscle does not have the same tone, so I had a slightly crooked, so to speak, smile for a month. But it was nothing really noticeable to anyone but me (nobody asked me about it or mentioned it, to me it was evident, to others, apparently not). Now he knows which side needs more units and which needs less and I keep my smile at check like that.

    I guess I am too chicken to have something (expensive here, too) done that would be permanent, precisely because sometimes dentists do not agree on what is the problem, if the muscle (upper labii or something like that) tone, the thinness of the upper lip (not my case), the way the muscle "rolls" up while smiling creating a bigger gummy smile OR a teeth issue.

    I suspect this girl I told you about had the procedure done by someone as if the problem was the gum while it was the teeth, after what was shared here. Considering how she looks ok smile-wise but a bit off and less pretty as in the overall face effect/proportions, I would guess the problem was linked to something that was not simply "the gumminess".

    Anyway, while botox carries those risks about a slightly crooked smile, it also is safe in that it goes away in 3 months or so (since we use a lot that area) but because of the units it tends to be less expensive than in other areas. And you can see that way if you really look better or not.

    A tip, if you choose botox , choose someone who applies it in that area and has experience on that, don't ask any doc who does botox. It is trickier and you could end up with bad results if the doc is used to just botox for the forehead and crow' s feet (upper face), etc.
    Also, to ask always for the lowest possible amount of units. You can always add a couple of units until you get to the exact place you waant your lips to be, but if you inject more than necessary you can end up "closing" your mouth or showing too little of your gum.
    My doc was sort of a pioneer here when he started using it (it was not all that common when he started) and that's how I think the first time he missed with a slightly crooked smile (although in his defense, he could not know that I had a different muscle tone on one side versus the other), but next time he went the route of the less units and wait and see... until it is right where you want.

    I am happy with that (botox) for now. I might consider surgery one day, but feel safer for now this way and prefer to wait until I see more people who had that sort of surgery, since my friend was not lucky. (But maybe only because the dentist was not good at realizing what her smile problem exactly was).

    Good luck!!!

    (PS: I have no interest involved in any doc, company, nothing, this is based on my experience only).

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    Wow, thanks for all the info!

    Yes, botox was mentioned here. It's something I would be open to, especially now that my teeth savings is being left in the bank. I agree that it's a good idea to try a temorary solution first to see if I would like the results of possible surgery.

    I guess I am not sure how much something like that would cost here. I always assumed botox was expensive. One of the doctors I met with talked about restelyne (sp?) and said it was similar to botox- that would cost around $700 every 4-6 months! WTF? That's so expensive IMO.

    If a little botox was cheap enough, I would consider doing it once and seeing if I like it. Then decide if it's something I could work into my budget a few times a year.

    Does anyone have any idea on the price of Botox in the states?

    Thanks again for all the info Mystery!

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    I've just had a little filler injected into the pink body of my top lip, Doc says it will cover a little of my teeth and stop gums showing when I smile.

    I'm a bit swollen (and bruised) at the moment but will let you know how it looks in a couple of days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belt Up View Post
    I've just had a little filler injected into the pink body of my top lip, Doc says it will cover a little of my teeth and stop gums showing when I smile.

    I'm a bit swollen (and bruised) at the moment but will let you know how it looks in a couple of days
    Did it hurt? It just sounds so painful.
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    Yeah, swollen and bruised?! Wow, I didn't know that could happen.

    A doctor told me to get filler in my upper lip to help push the lip down (less teeth shown), but I don't want a bigger top lip....

    Let us know how it looks!

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